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Old 11-14-2022, 08:39 PM
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Ah Canada, makes total sense. Search did say “did you mean DHC-7?” Thx!
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Old 11-15-2022, 05:02 PM
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Hello all! New to the site and the company.

I've heard rumors that classes are being sent home in between blocks of training. I start the 737 class on 7 Feb and am hoping to get a better grip on what a realistic expectation of the training timeline is. Will the flow still be backed up and taking 6-7 months when I arrive in February? Or is it working itself out as we speak and trending on a more normal timeline of 2 -3 months of previous years?

I apologize if this has been covered. I've scoured pages of these threads and didn't see it.
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Old 11-15-2022, 05:30 PM
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I am not so sure about how backed up the 73 is but the scale of that fleet isn't such that I would anticipate absolutely huge back ups in training. It's really jacked up on the 74 and 76 though. Last I heard the 76 class that is starting now will do a week of indoc and then be sent home until April. I hope that is just a stupid schoolhouse rumor. In any case the 73 isn't going to be a time builder regardless. So if Atlas is where you want to be welcome! But if this is looking like a stepping stone to you I would looking elsewhere to build time faster because it will probably take you over two years to get 1000 hours from date of hire.
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Old 11-16-2022, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Roverruckus View Post
I am not so sure about how backed up the 73 is but the scale of that fleet isn't such that I would anticipate absolutely huge back ups in training. It's really jacked up on the 74 and 76 though. Last I heard the 76 class that is starting now will do a week of indoc and then be sent home until April. I hope that is just a stupid schoolhouse rumor. In any case the 73 isn't going to be a time builder regardless. So if Atlas is where you want to be welcome! But if this is looking like a stepping stone to you I would looking elsewhere to build time faster because it will probably take you over two years to get 1000 hours from date of hire.
Agreed on the time building aspect. I don't need to build time so no worries for me, but I am on the 747. I just looked at my flight times to date from when I started. In 20 months since start date, I have logged 901 total hours. That is averaging 45 hours a month on the 747. If I take out the training months in MIA, it averages right around 53 hours per month.

Definitely something to think about if you are a low time guy just wanting to build time. This isn't the place.
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Old 11-17-2022, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jrmyl View Post
Agreed on the time building aspect. I don't need to build time so no worries for me, but I am on the 747. I just looked at my flight times to date from when I started. In 20 months since start date, I have logged 901 total hours. That is averaging 45 hours a month on the 747. If I take out the training months in MIA, it averages right around 53 hours per month.

Definitely something to think about if you are a low time guy just wanting to build time. This isn't the place.
Low time folks trying to build time quickly should definitely consider other venues like the regionals, etc. On the other hand one must definitely be cognizant of the current environment and do their best to forecast where they may have to lie in wait if or when a slowdown may occur in the near, far or hopefully not so much in the future. No one knows exactly what lies ahead but there are a few signs already beginning to show. Choose whatever meets your career priorities as best as you can and be aware you may sit for a bit longer than originally planned and may it be in a decent place. Delta has been smart to recently offer mil folks the opportunity to apply, interview and be granted a CJO upon their retirement within two years of their discharge papers supposedly (or within one year for those just leaving I believe) which creates a soft landing outside of the military and fills class dates with some talent ahead of other outfits. American perhaps is working on the same approach, others may follow suit. On the flip side it seems Purple may have stopped training/opportunities on the MD11/A300 and no MEM77FO slots as they mentioned on their forum recently. Brown is seeing a shift as well in some areas perhaps as well from what they’re mentioning. Just my 2 cents, but take a look around the forums sporadically on topics that may have impact on your endeavors and get a bigger picture. Position yourself as best as possible, don’t stovepipe yourself and do the best for you with all the info you can gather. Cargo will have a cleaner picture after peak and early next year. It’s all up in the air.

*Plenty of early takers of retirement at the early stages of the viral debacle at the Majors and with consistent ongoing retirements it doesn’t seem things will slow to a trickle, but these decisions are well above anyones pay grade on APC. Overall, airlines continue to hire until they don’t.

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Old 11-18-2022, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by C17B74 View Post
Low time folks trying to build time quickly should definitely consider other venues like the regionals, etc. On the other hand one must definitely be cognizant of the current environment and do their best to forecast where they may have to lie in wait if or when a slowdown may occur in the near, far or hopefully not so much in the future. No one knows exactly what lies ahead but there are a few signs already beginning to show. Choose whatever meets your career priorities as best as you can and be aware you may sit for a bit longer than originally planned and may it be in a decent place. Delta has been smart to recently offer mil folks the opportunity to apply, interview and be granted a CJO upon their retirement within two years of their discharge papers supposedly (or within one year for those just leaving I believe) which creates a soft landing outside of the military and fills class dates with some talent ahead of other outfits. American perhaps is working on the same approach, others may follow suit. On the flip side it seems Purple may have stopped training/opportunities on the MD11/A300 and no MEM77FO slots as they mentioned on their forum recently. Brown is seeing a shift as well in some areas perhaps as well from what they’re mentioning. Just my 2 cents, but take a look around the forums sporadically on topics that may have impact on your endeavors and get a bigger picture. Position yourself as best as possible, don’t stovepipe yourself and do the best for you with all the info you can gather. Cargo will have a cleaner picture after peak and early next year. It’s all up in the air.

*Plenty of early takers of retirement at the early stages of the viral debacle at the Majors and with consistent ongoing retirements it doesn’t seem things will slow to a trickle, but these decisions are well above anyones pay grade on APC. Overall, airlines continue to hire until they don’t.
This is a big reason why I chose to come to Atlas a few months ago with these troubling macro-economic factors. Although not my ideal final destination, not a bad place to be stuck if the music stops. Certainly much better than a regional both in pay and quality of life. I don't need hours though, I just need to get flying again after 5+ years out sailing.

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Old 11-18-2022, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Roverruckus View Post
I am not so sure about how backed up the 73 is but the scale of that fleet isn't such that I would anticipate absolutely huge back ups in training. It's really jacked up on the 74 and 76 though. Last I heard the 76 class that is starting now will do a week of indoc and then be sent home until April. I hope that is just a stupid schoolhouse rumor. In any case the 73 isn't going to be a time builder regardless. So if Atlas is where you want to be welcome! But if this is looking like a stepping stone to you I would looking elsewhere to build time faster because it will probably take you over two years to get 1000 hours from date of hire.
Can confirm, not a rumor.

Though being on full pay for 4-5 months and having the potential of earning some extra $$ elsewhere while waiting/studying isn't necessarily a bad thing!
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Old 11-18-2022, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pahlot View Post
Can confirm, not a rumor.

Though being on full pay for 4-5 months and having the potential of earning some extra $$ elsewhere while waiting/studying isn't necessarily a bad thing!
Well….you heard wrong.
You’re not on full pay, you’re on Minimum Monthly Garantee and that is 30-50% less of what you would make if you’re flying the line.
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Old 11-18-2022, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul View Post
Well….you heard wrong.
You’re not on full pay, you’re on Minimum Monthly Garantee and that is 30-50% less of what you would make if you’re flying the line.

Only if you’re flying the 77/74
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Old 11-19-2022, 03:28 AM
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Please explain how MMG isn't full pay?
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