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Old 12-21-2022 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC
If you’re goal is to build time/experience to go on to something else, Atlas is not the place for you. You will gain much more time/experience flying at a regional than you will flying the 737 at Atlas.

If Atlas is where you want to end up for the rest of your career…getting in as soon as possible is the best course of action. Seniority is king.

Unless you fall into an extremely narrow demographic, you’re better off going to a regional, getting time quickly, and moving on to a Legacy/FedEx/UPS/LCC that best suits your needs based on where you live and what you want to do long term in your career.

That advice may be valid, however at least some of the regionals have delays as long if not longer then ours.
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Old 12-21-2022 | 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Atlasvet
That advice may be valid, however at least some of the regionals have delays as long if not longer then ours.
I don’t doubt that, but it is the exception rather than the rule.

Irrespective of that, the issue is more the average flight time that a pilot will gain at a regional vs a 737 slot at Atlas. The Atlas 737 pilots fly 30-50 hours a month. Sometimes less, very rarely more. Most regional pilots will have the ability to fly up to the maximum weekly/monthly/annual limits legally allowed if they so choose. That would make for much faster career advancement than an Atlas 737 position.

Atlas has a place in the market…but it’s not for pilots looking to build time/experience quickly and then move on to other companies, such as Legacy carriers, FedEx, UPS, etc..
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Old 12-22-2022 | 06:34 AM
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Received a CJO a couple days ago. Very excited, just wondering how long I should expect to wait before being offered a class date. I'm assuming its kind of up in the air at this point but any information would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 12-22-2022 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Bagel
Received a CJO a couple days ago. Very excited, just wondering how long I should expect to wait before being offered a class date. I'm assuming its kind of up in the air at this point but any information would be greatly appreciated!
A while ago it was 2-3 weeks from CJO to class date offer. Class dates are around 4 months out.
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Old 12-22-2022 | 06:52 AM
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Anyone has any experience regarding 777 classes lately? What sort of delays should I expect?
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Old 12-22-2022 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
A while ago it was 2-3 weeks from CJO to class date offer. Class dates are around 4 months out.
Awesome thank you so much!
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Old 12-22-2022 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ace7
Anyone has any experience regarding 777 classes lately? What sort of delays should I expect?
Not quite as bad as some of the other fleets, most recently running at just over 4 months from indoc to type. OE is a little backed up from what I hear.
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Old 12-22-2022 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by HPIC
I don’t doubt that, but it is the exception rather than the rule.

Irrespective of that, the issue is more the average flight time that a pilot will gain at a regional vs a 737 slot at Atlas. The Atlas 737 pilots fly 30-50 hours a month. Sometimes less, very rarely more. Most regional pilots will have the ability to fly up to the maximum weekly/monthly/annual limits legally allowed if they so choose. That would make for much faster career advancement than an Atlas 737 position.

Atlas has a place in the market…but it’s not for pilots looking to build time/experience quickly and then move on to other companies, such as Legacy carriers, FedEx, UPS, etc..
thats not sure. Regionals will have you sit reserve and maybe you’ll fly. This can potentially last a year or two…resulting in the crash pad and standby lifestyle.

on top of that regionals are not as stable as Atlas. Look at Mesa right now.

in the meantime, at atlas you get a decent year one paycheck with no strings attached even through training.

you also get a 737 type which is the most used type in the world I believe,

AND you get access to wide body flying in two years. The flying is kinda fun too.

let’s be honest, the hiring of 2021 was a fluke. The odds of Delta taking in 1700 tt applicants like they did in 2021 are much slimmer now.

I’m not sure how the airlines can be so bullish - the again if daddy government bails you out when things don’t work…but I digress
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Old 12-22-2022 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lionhaart
The odds of Delta taking in 1700 tt applicants like they did in 2021 are much slimmer now.

I’m not sure how the airlines can be so bullish - the again if daddy government bails you out when things don’t work…but I digress
Bottom Line: Airlines will always continue to hire until they’re not. Probably a good bet on the gov stuff, but there’s also the attempt to gobble up the remaining of those with experience above and beyond the minimum requirements as the industries pool dwindles down to said minimum requirements and are forced to hire from the flat line predominantly. As proof, all requirements at most if not all airlines have fallen and some to just FAA requirements - may not get picked but you can still apply and not be immediately discarded. Just another cyclic wave until the next event.

Timing is everything. Get on board with your dream job as fast and young as possible for as much job security an airline can provide (a wildcard at times), retirement they can provide and of course to benefit from seniority at its best down the road in a nutshell.

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Old 12-24-2022 | 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by C17B74
Bottom Line: Airlines will always continue to hire until they’re not. Probably a good bet on the gov stuff, but there’s also the attempt to gobble up the remaining of those with experience above and beyond the minimum requirements as the industries pool dwindles down to said minimum requirements and are forced to hire from the flat line predominantly. As proof, all requirements at most if not all airlines have fallen and some to just FAA requirements - may not get picked but you can still apply and not be immediately discarded. Just another cyclic wave until the next event.

Timing is everything. Get on board with your dream job as fast and young as possible for as much job security an airline can provide (a wildcard at times), retirement they can provide and of course to benefit from seniority at its best down the road in a nutshell.
Reiterate, reiterate, reiterate, again.
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