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01-03-2015, 02:13 PM
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if there is OT (open time) then my guess is one the company has not been able to staff correctly for he given flying, or they are intentionally running short to make their numbers look better for Wallstreet. OT is still cheaper than hiring a new body permanently. If you can cover trips then the thought is the company might decide to come to the table and talk about its staffing issues.
JA or junior assign is different as you are assigned the trip and often extended past your scheduled days into days off. This usually at higher additional cost to the company than having someone pick up OT.
Some traditional methods of avoiding JA: I am sick, fatigued or don't answer the phone when scheduling calls. If you do answer the phone then; I have taken a antihistamine is a good one, this knocks you out of action for 48 hrs.
The last and my favorite one is "I have been drinking!"
JA or junior assign is different as you are assigned the trip and often extended past your scheduled days into days off. This usually at higher additional cost to the company than having someone pick up OT.
Some traditional methods of avoiding JA: I am sick, fatigued or don't answer the phone when scheduling calls. If you do answer the phone then; I have taken a antihistamine is a good one, this knocks you out of action for 48 hrs.
The last and my favorite one is "I have been drinking!"
01-03-2015, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by longhauler
Some traditional methods of avoiding JA: I am sick, fatigued or don't answer the phone when scheduling calls. If you do answer the phone then; I have taken a antihistamine is a good one, this knocks you out of action for 48 hrs.
The last and my favorite one is "I have been drinking!"
The last and my favorite one is "I have been drinking!"
01-03-2015, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by doneandout
New to the forum stuff, so I will show my stupidity. What will not picking up open time do? How would that 'show the company' anything???? The result will be to 'junior man' the guy already on a trip, really don't know just curious that is all.
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And if you know your CBA, and you're not on reserve, you can get out of a lot of extensions. Adding on to your last day but getting you back to base prior to 23:59z? Perfectly legal. But extending into a day off can only be to "protect the operation" - i.e., there's a broken jet in Timbuktu and you're already there and they can't get anyone else to replace you in time. They can't add new flights to cover holes in the operation. You shouldn't agree to any extension, and even if it's legal, i'd run everything by Scheduling Committee, the Stewards and the ExCo.
OT/OB/VX help cover the company's mistakes. Yes, the junior reserve guy can get involuntary extended, assuming he's still fit for duty after a long trip. That's the way it works pretty much everywhere. If guys stop picking up OT, they can only do so much with the reserves, since we don't use reserve guys properly to begin with. The operation will fail if we stop rescuing it.
Don't believe me? Just try it out. For FEB/MAR, use your GDOs after your assigned trips. You've got 4 to use for 9 months, and most guys never use them anyway. Get enough guys to do that, and you'll see changes. If the ExCo could turn off OT/OB/VX like a light switch, I guarantee you'd see the company come running to see what we want.
01-03-2015, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
01-03-2015, 03:04 PM
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The company almost made a major mis-step in the recent illegal vacancy award and just about released us for self help...it would have been wonderful! BUT, this clearly brought a lot more pilots on board, and seems to have cultivated some solidarity, which we desperately need. I haven't seen such instant solidarity from this group ever, and I've got to thank the company for that. In a sick way, I hope they keep messing with us to feed the monster that is union solidarity, so that we can drop the hammer so freakin' hard when negotiations come up that they have no other option than to play ball. Otherwise I can see them drawing negotiations out for years and years...
01-03-2015, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by captainv
It shows the company solidarity, and it's already worked. Per the ExCo, after the blatantly illegal vacancy award, people got ****ed and stopped picking up OT. Only lasted for a few days, but it definitely got the company's attention. It just went to zero and they had to cancel a few flights. (We had 5 guys quit the week before Christmas, too.) Same with the 747 crew in MEM that delayed a FedEx flight for catering. Same with Teamsters National ready to go to war. Re-read the letter from Dan Wells, we came within hours of being released to self-help because of the company's massive screw-up.
And if you know your CBA, and you're not on reserve, you can get out of a lot of extensions. Adding on to your last day but getting you back to base prior to 23:59z? Perfectly legal. But extending into a day off can only be to "protect the operation" - i.e., there's a broken jet in Timbuktu and you're already there and they can't get anyone else to replace you in time. They can't add new flights to cover holes in the operation. You shouldn't agree to any extension, and even if it's legal, i'd run everything by Scheduling Committee, the Stewards and the ExCo.
OT/OB/VX help cover the company's mistakes. Yes, the junior reserve guy can get involuntary extended, assuming he's still fit for duty after a long trip. That's the way it works pretty much everywhere. If guys stop picking up OT, they can only do so much with the reserves, since we don't use reserve guys properly to begin with. The operation will fail if we stop rescuing it.
Don't believe me? Just try it out. For FEB/MAR, use your GDOs after your assigned trips. You've got 4 to use for 9 months, and most guys never use them anyway. Get enough guys to do that, and you'll see changes. If the ExCo could turn off OT/OB/VX like a light switch, I guarantee you'd see the company come running to see what we want.
And if you know your CBA, and you're not on reserve, you can get out of a lot of extensions. Adding on to your last day but getting you back to base prior to 23:59z? Perfectly legal. But extending into a day off can only be to "protect the operation" - i.e., there's a broken jet in Timbuktu and you're already there and they can't get anyone else to replace you in time. They can't add new flights to cover holes in the operation. You shouldn't agree to any extension, and even if it's legal, i'd run everything by Scheduling Committee, the Stewards and the ExCo.
OT/OB/VX help cover the company's mistakes. Yes, the junior reserve guy can get involuntary extended, assuming he's still fit for duty after a long trip. That's the way it works pretty much everywhere. If guys stop picking up OT, they can only do so much with the reserves, since we don't use reserve guys properly to begin with. The operation will fail if we stop rescuing it.
Don't believe me? Just try it out. For FEB/MAR, use your GDOs after your assigned trips. You've got 4 to use for 9 months, and most guys never use them anyway. Get enough guys to do that, and you'll see changes. If the ExCo could turn off OT/OB/VX like a light switch, I guarantee you'd see the company come running to see what we want.
01-03-2015, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chip1
The company almost made a major mis-step in the recent illegal vacancy award and just about released us for self help...it would have been wonderful! BUT, this clearly brought a lot more pilots on board, and seems to have cultivated some solidarity, which we desperately need. I haven't seen such instant solidarity from this group ever, and I've got to thank the company for that. In a sick way, I hope they keep messing with us to feed the monster that is union solidarity, so that we can drop the hammer so freakin' hard when negotiations come up that they have no other option than to play ball. Otherwise I can see them drawing negotiations out for years and years...
01-04-2015, 06:48 AM
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Position: 747 CA
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You need to read Confessions of a Union Buster or watch these videos at a minimum. You must know who you are dealing with and what harm they intend to do to you and your family.
http://youtu.be/2qajBfEdzoE
http://youtu.be/2qajBfEdzoE
01-06-2015, 01:57 PM
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Hi all, I completed the online assessment last week and passed, was just wondering if anyone else has taken it lately and if anyone has heard from HR regarding an interview date. Would love to get on with Atlas someday.
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