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Old 01-02-2015, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
If we're going to be fined for "Job Actions" (as unions in general) then what he heck was that? That was a blatant violation of the contract! It's not like they can claim ignorance! They should've been fined or worse!
Shows how the RLA is structured. This is why unity and solidarity are so important.
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Old 01-02-2015, 07:48 AM
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Company actions, job actions. whats the difference. the company has had their negotiating stance for some time and so recently getting worse. its time to form your own based on the CBA and utlize every limited provision be it, GDO's, vacation, don't fly sick or fatigued, and basic crewmember refusal of assignments and being taken off awarded pairing. There are many ways to affect the operation. its time to make it painful by taking it away from the mission mindset of old bygone days. This place has potential but only if those here/wanting to be here know what's expected once you get here. The company isn't your friend and will take advantage of you by flagrant lies & ignore CBA, safety, with overreaching scheduling/operational practices to add to the bottom line putting you their "valued team member" at risk until you call them on it. Be ready to fight for every provision tooth and nail. Lets face it anything that comes between me and providing for my family, they will lose. Their operational success will reflect it, get on board or get out of the way. No rose colored glasses, don't bring the knife to the gun fight! I'm off for a few weeks and will relax and enjoy but once i'm back online my job isn't just being a professional but you're always a negotiating professional. the squeky wheels gets the grease. Once out on a pairing, expect scheduling to keep the uneducated crewmember off balance by constant schedule changes. Coupled with fatigue a daily factor, i repeatedly hear "i won't lean forward and agree to that again". Whoops, To late you've already been bent over Atlas style. Always question, ask, demand, and expect more from your company then what they feel you deserve. Don't be led around and be proactive exhaust all your resources to include the companies to get what you want/afforded the crewmember. Overwhelm the system by slowing things down, this has been my stance and believe it to be contagious with those other than the Kool Aid drinkers whom are mostly out the door in a few years. The metal doesn't have to move just because some schmuck in Purchase sitting behind a nice warm dry desk who's well rested, at home everynight while you are operating for 17 days, all hours day or night, Kilos, pounds, Euros, 5 different variations, and believe it or not some hores (sorry only way around PG-13 wording *****) whom volunteer to out base/vx for the entire month in all corners of the globe says/agree its safe. good luck to those interested!

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Old 01-02-2015, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by C5nwhaleguy View Post
Company actions, job actions. whats the difference. the company has had their negotiating stance for some time and so recently getting worse. its time to form your own based on the CBA and utlize every limited provision be it, GDO's, vacation, don't fly sick or fatigued, and basic crewmember refusal of assignments and being taken off awarded pairing. There are many ways to affect the operation. its time to make it painful by taking it away from the mission mindset of old bygone days. This place has potential but only if those here/wanting to be here know what's expected once you get here. The company isn't your friend and will take advantage of you by flagrant lies & ignore CBA, safety, with overreaching scheduling/operational practices to add to the bottom line putting you their "valued team member" at risk until you call them on it. Be ready to fight for every provision tooth and nail. Lets face it anything that comes between me and providing for my family, they will lose. Their operational success will reflect it, get on board or get out of the way. No rose colored glasses, don't bring the knife to the gun fight! I'm off for a few weeks and will relax and enjoy but once i'm back online my job isn't just being a professional but you're always a negotiating professional. the squeky wheels gets the grease. Once out on a pairing, expect scheduling to keep the uneducated crewmember off balance by constant schedule changes. Coupled with fatigue a daily factor, i repeatedly hear "i won't lean forward and agree to that again". Whoops, To late you've already been bent over Atlas style. Always question, ask, demand, and expect more from your company then what they feel you deserve. Don't be led around and be proactive exhaust all your resources to include the companies to get what you want/afforded the crewmember. Overwhelm the system by slowing things down, this has been my stance and believe it to be contagious with those other than the Kool Aid drinkers whom are mostly out the door in a few years. The metal doesn't have to move just because some schmuck in Purchase sitting behind a nice warm dry desk who's well rested, at home everynight while you are operating for 17 days, all hours day or night, Kilos, pounds, Euros, 5 different variations, and believe it or not some hores (sorry only way around PG-13 wording *****) whom volunteer to out base/vx for the entire month in all corners of the globe says/agree its safe. good luck to those interested!
Great post. You can even look at who's being hired in management and what the labor relations were like back before they merged with delta.
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Old 01-02-2015, 05:15 PM
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"Great post. You can even look at who's being hired in management and what the labor relations were like back before they merged with delta.""

Was curious about this....another former NW guy just got picked up. I don't know the history. What can we expect?
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Old 01-03-2015, 05:36 AM
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Why do people keep picking up OT?
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Old 01-03-2015, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by flydelta2002 View Post
Why do people keep picking up OT?
For the same reason OT is flown everywhere else ($$$).

Hopefully building a war chest, stockpiling for hammertime and for some to fill in the hole left from the lean days on probation.

There is no provision against doing it...
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Old 01-03-2015, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by flydelta2002 View Post
Why do people keep picking up OT?
IMO, We've got bigger fish to fry just trying to fly the contract. It's a provision in the contract and allows for all to build up a warchest as stated and noone is furloughed.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:08 AM
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Guys/gals, if you want the company to come to the table sooner rather than later, we need to get their attention. Flying OT of any kind is helping them get thru the tight spots that their delay in hiring and upgrading has put them in. DO YOU REALLY want to help them? "READ BETWEEN THE LINES!" If you can't get the message from that, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:42 AM
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A real show of solidarity would be if no one bid out basing or flew open time for 2 weeks. Then you can return to your whorish ways and continue to be an enabler to the company.
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Old 01-03-2015, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BayBum4Ever View Post
A real show of solidarity would be if no one bid out basing or flew open time for 2 weeks. Then you can return to your whorish ways and continue to be an enabler to the company.
New to the forum stuff, so I will show my stupidity. What will not picking up open time do? How would that 'show the company' anything???? The result will be to 'junior man' the guy already on a trip, really don't know just curious that is all.

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