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Old 12-26-2012, 09:26 AM
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I don't know about Brown but Purple and I think Big D make you pay for your own hotel while in training, that would suck. Take that into your calculations. Plus the hotel we use in Miami has free breakfast everyday and dinner 3 or 4 nights a week! Plus the rooms have a kitchen for making your own meals. Adds up.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:15 AM
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There is a little something called a business plan...we seem to have one that works (for now). So, please keep your sights on the big picture, and don't get caught in the short term issues like training pay, and yes, even first year pay.

I am fully aware that the situation has real consequences but getting on at a company that has a viable business and one that has a future (at least short to medium term!!) is the key factor in determining the value of a job.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 744driver View Post
There is a little something called a business plan...we seem to have one that works (for now). So, please keep your sights on the big picture, and don't get caught in the short term issues like training pay, and yes, even first year pay.

I am fully aware that the situation has real consequences but getting on at a company that has a viable business and one that has a future (at least short to medium term!!) is the key factor in determining the value of a job.
Truer words were never spoken. One of the reasons I am so happy to be a newb at Atlas is because my old company had its butt thoroughly kicked by Atlas and they way they are approaching the business.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:33 AM
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A few have touched on it but...

$1600/month training pay + $55/day per diem + free board at Residence Inn

$1600/month until OE completion or 4 month - whichever comes first. (Our 76 class hit 4 months before OE completion - 74 may be a lot less)

Guarantee is 50 hours for first year at $75+. Depending on how much reserve you sit or operate you can factor in per diem. 62 with one year on property.

I opt out of healthcare due to wife's job and also take advantage of 401k. Take home mid month is around 1650. Per diem / overtime / etc is paid at the end of the month from previous month bean counters. That has ranged anywhere from 1650 to 4300 take home.

So many factors to consider...OE being backed up, enough LCA, enough flying, etc. This has been my experience midway through 76 program. Through the maturity on the 767 program it may be different now. 74 from what I have gathered is a better oiled machine.

Better than some...not as good as others. Still happy to be here though.

Hope this helps.
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:40 AM
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Other companies may pay more. Other companies also don't fly you to work on their dime. Not jumpseating is worth it's weight in gold. It's priceless waiting at gate and getting eyed by other pilots doing the rack and stack about who will get the jumpseat as you tell the agent who is trying to get you in the system you have a revenue ticket (first class on occasion).

Bottom line is does Atlas fit with your life and QOL. It's always greener on the other side...right? :-)
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino12 View Post
Other companies may pay more. Other companies also don't fly you to work on their dime. Not jumpseating is worth it's weight in gold. It's priceless waiting at gate and getting eyed by other pilots doing the rack and stack about who will get the jumpseat as you tell the agent who is trying to get you in the system you have a revenue ticket (first class on occasion).

Bottom line is does Atlas fit with your life and QOL. It's always greener on the other side...right? :-)
Truer word never were spoken. I work for another ACMI, but I agree, not sure I can put a value on having a ticket bought for me to and from work. My first few months I traveled in uniform ( dont usually now ) and one of those times I was at DFW headed to LGA. When I approached the gate there were three other pilots there all via'ing for the Jumpseat as the flight was nearly full. It should be noted it was an AA flight.... the pilots were a DAL CA, a DAL FO and an AE FO. I stopped a few feet short of their "group". I listened for a few minutes and the convo centered around who would get on the flight.... after a couple more minutes I introduced myself. The DAL CA said something to the effect that I was pretty late to the party and laughed, the AE FO and 20ish kid chimed in that he thought there was only one open seat.... the DAL FO just smiled. Feeling a bit smug ( I know..bad form) I said I didnt see why I wouldnt get on....the DAL FO smiled again....while the DAL CA said "what are you going to do build a seat".... the DAL FO said..."nope...I am sure he is using his ticket"... and chuckled a bit. About that time they called my zone or rows or whatever AA uses and I grabbed my bag, pulled out my ticket... and bid them farewell. Again, hard to put a value on being on THEIR ticket and if something goes wrong, they just deal with it.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by S1tpilot View Post
While first year pay is better than most, the three months waiting for OE at $1600.00 month and no per diem can be a bit tight.
At least for the short term, i don't think Light Twin new hires will have much of a wait for OE.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:17 PM
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For those wanting to know first year pay, this is my final pay stub from year 1, including newhire training. I was hired toward the end of january that year so you can add about $6000 to the gross income total to compensate for those first 30 days when I wasn't on property yet for the year.

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Old 12-26-2012, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneStarM1A View Post
For those wanting to know first year pay, this is my final pay stub from year 1, including newhire training. I was hired toward the end of january that year so you can add about $6000 to the gross income total to compensate for those first 30 days when I wasn't on property yet for the year.

Is this under the old contract ?
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Old 12-26-2012, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by twoshadesblue View Post
Is this under the old contract ?
About half of it was. The new contract didn't make a big difference in my case, I was crediting about 75 hours per month either way once I hit the line. The pay rate was, of course, the same.
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