Atlas Air Hiring
12-29-2014 | 02:50 PM
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I'll bite...
1. Retirement is about 1/3rd of an industry standard contract.
2. Hourly pay rate is about 75-80% of industry standard.
3. Due to work rules you'll probably only log 80% of the credit hours you would with an industry standard contract.
4. Vacation, getting sick, and even having to take a checkride will all mean that you get guarantee that month.... Guarantee is about 75-80% of industry standard (62 hours).
5. You only get 14 days of vacation a year which is probably half industry standard... Or less.
6. Given that you leave out and are gone for 17 days you'll spend more time at work then you will at a Legacy or Southwest.
7. Unlimited schedule changes will reduce your pay by probably 5%... Possibly more.
8. Profit sharing excludes more than half of the profit. This means that our profit sharing is probably worth about 40% of an industry standard profit sharing - many years much less. Last year my profit sharing was $500.
Given all of that I figure that Atlas pays 60% of what you're paid at a job that people are leaving here for meaning American, Delta, United, Southwest, UPS, or FedEx. While getting compensated at a FAR less rate you'll certainly spend much more time at work. I love Atlas and it's a great place to work but much like they've got a business to run, I have a family to worry about.
1. Retirement is about 1/3rd of an industry standard contract.
2. Hourly pay rate is about 75-80% of industry standard.
3. Due to work rules you'll probably only log 80% of the credit hours you would with an industry standard contract.
4. Vacation, getting sick, and even having to take a checkride will all mean that you get guarantee that month.... Guarantee is about 75-80% of industry standard (62 hours).
5. You only get 14 days of vacation a year which is probably half industry standard... Or less.
6. Given that you leave out and are gone for 17 days you'll spend more time at work then you will at a Legacy or Southwest.
7. Unlimited schedule changes will reduce your pay by probably 5%... Possibly more.
8. Profit sharing excludes more than half of the profit. This means that our profit sharing is probably worth about 40% of an industry standard profit sharing - many years much less. Last year my profit sharing was $500.
Given all of that I figure that Atlas pays 60% of what you're paid at a job that people are leaving here for meaning American, Delta, United, Southwest, UPS, or FedEx. While getting compensated at a FAR less rate you'll certainly spend much more time at work. I love Atlas and it's a great place to work but much like they've got a business to run, I have a family to worry about.
No matter what the loyalist may say, that post is a dot on assessment of the state of things.
12-29-2014 | 02:52 PM
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Notwithstanding your last sentence, and no disrespect intended but just wondering...
Why are you still at Atlas?...
I was the first person in early 2014 to publicly state on this thread that I could not in good conscience recommend Atlas any longer...BUT, I have since tried to offer a balanced view of life at Atlas.
I agree with all the points you make, but your post is still unfinished (IMHO) as it only presents the "squeaky-wheel" side of the situation here and it misrepresents this thread.
If all you (collective you, not personal) want to do is paint a bleak picture and whine, go someplace else, and start another thread. Otherwise, let us all aspire to at least give a complete picture, and present the good and the bad.
I am not at all saying that things are peachy at Atlas, but...
Why are you still at Atlas?...
I was the first person in early 2014 to publicly state on this thread that I could not in good conscience recommend Atlas any longer...BUT, I have since tried to offer a balanced view of life at Atlas.
I agree with all the points you make, but your post is still unfinished (IMHO) as it only presents the "squeaky-wheel" side of the situation here and it misrepresents this thread.
If all you (collective you, not personal) want to do is paint a bleak picture and whine, go someplace else, and start another thread. Otherwise, let us all aspire to at least give a complete picture, and present the good and the bad.
I am not at all saying that things are peachy at Atlas, but...
Another way of saying "It's a business for them and I have a family to think about" is maybe putting it this way... Unless they fix their contract many of the young FOs will leave IF offered a job that offers far less work for more pay and retirement. I haven't been offered that job but like most FOs there's going to be a good chance that happens. When/If it does I'll be gone. I've yet to hear about one of our FOs being offered a job at one of the companies that I mentioned that turned it down. I'm not bitter at all and neither were most of the guys who left. I love Atlas, but I'll be gone as soon as I'm offered that job, unless they decide they care about us enough to compensate us fairly.
If the company looked at my job as anything more than a number our contract would be fixed tomorrow so that people would stop leaving. Leadership flat out doesn't care. They'd rather see people like me leave and have themselves make more money. They've stated to our FOs who went to Purchase last Spring that "They have a stack of resumes a mile high at HR." To me that says what all of us know. Things won't change unless airplanes stop moving. They only care about me leaving if so many of us leave that they can't keep up with training. I'm stating here that I love the job but since they value me so little, I'll make the best decision for my family if/when an Industry Standard opportunity presents itself.
12-29-2014 | 03:45 PM
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Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
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12-29-2014 | 04:42 PM
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"Loyalist"?...I am assuming you are referring to my post above...I am hardly a loyalist. Obviously you don't know me...ask around please!!
Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
12-29-2014 | 05:10 PM
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Agree 100%, Globemaster.
I think we are on the same page, but I just want to make sure we are presenting a good case for and against to the prospective Atlas pilot. Anything else is a disservice to them...and the purpose of this thread.
I think we are on the same page, but I just want to make sure we are presenting a good case for and against to the prospective Atlas pilot. Anything else is a disservice to them...and the purpose of this thread.
12-29-2014 | 06:51 PM
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FWIW our CEO specifically stated in one of his public conference calls with investors (8K or 10K) that they were not planning on coming to the table until the last possible moment (2018 or later). The reference is on the "other" pilot forum. IMHO, it will get worse before it gets better.
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12-29-2014 | 09:23 PM
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"Loyalist"?...I am assuming you are referring to my post above...I am hardly a loyalist. Obviously you don't know me...ask around please!!
Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
Globemaster's original post was spot on. There was really no need to expound further on it.
Like you, I don't recommend anyone to come here, at least after what they've done in the last 2 years.
12-29-2014 | 09:27 PM
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I really don't care if you know me or not...that is not the point here. It has to do with presenting the pluses and minuses here. It is not about me or you...it is about helping the applicants make the right decision.
I keep having to tell you and others to make a fair case so they can make a decision and see if they can live with the minuses, and are okay with the pluses.
But loyalist?...hardly.
And the abuses have been going on for much longer than 2 years...thankfully the culture has changed in the last 4-5 years, and we will continue to build our group so we can march into negotiations lock-step as one.
I keep having to tell you and others to make a fair case so they can make a decision and see if they can live with the minuses, and are okay with the pluses.
But loyalist?...hardly.
And the abuses have been going on for much longer than 2 years...thankfully the culture has changed in the last 4-5 years, and we will continue to build our group so we can march into negotiations lock-step as one.
12-30-2014 | 06:53 AM
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reciprocal agreements
Hey all,
Just wondering if someone can post the list of reciprocal carriers to jumpseat/nonrev for atlas? Starting class in a few weeks and want to have an idea. Thanks
Just wondering if someone can post the list of reciprocal carriers to jumpseat/nonrev for atlas? Starting class in a few weeks and want to have an idea. Thanks
12-30-2014 | 08:00 AM
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Pretty much everybody. If it's some really obscure airline I'll try to look it up for you, but we can jumpseat and allow jumpseaters from any place I've ever heard of. As I'm sure you're aware it'll be a week or two until you're in CASS after starting class though.
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