Atlas Air Hiring
12-29-2014, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 744driver
"Loyalist"?...I am assuming you are referring to my post above...I am hardly a loyalist. Obviously you don't know me...ask around please!!
Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
12-29-2014, 05:10 PM
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Agree 100%, Globemaster.
I think we are on the same page, but I just want to make sure we are presenting a good case for and against to the prospective Atlas pilot. Anything else is a disservice to them...and the purpose of this thread.
I think we are on the same page, but I just want to make sure we are presenting a good case for and against to the prospective Atlas pilot. Anything else is a disservice to them...and the purpose of this thread.
12-29-2014, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Fillmore Slim
FWIW our CEO specifically stated in one of his public conference calls with investors (8K or 10K) that they were not planning on coming to the table until the last possible moment (2018 or later). The reference is on the "other" pilot forum. IMHO, it will get worse before it gets better.
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12-29-2014, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 744driver
"Loyalist"?...I am assuming you are referring to my post above...I am hardly a loyalist. Obviously you don't know me...ask around please!!
Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
Asking for "fair and balanced" hardly means I am loyalist.
BTW, Globemaster has since answered in a "fair and balanced" and thoughtful answer rather than name-calling. I was only asking for all of us to be honest in the first place!!
And yes, calling me a "loyalist" is offensive and a great insult to me!!
Globemaster's original post was spot on. There was really no need to expound further on it.
Like you, I don't recommend anyone to come here, at least after what they've done in the last 2 years.
12-29-2014, 09:27 PM
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I really don't care if you know me or not...that is not the point here. It has to do with presenting the pluses and minuses here. It is not about me or you...it is about helping the applicants make the right decision.
I keep having to tell you and others to make a fair case so they can make a decision and see if they can live with the minuses, and are okay with the pluses.
But loyalist?...hardly.
And the abuses have been going on for much longer than 2 years...thankfully the culture has changed in the last 4-5 years, and we will continue to build our group so we can march into negotiations lock-step as one.
I keep having to tell you and others to make a fair case so they can make a decision and see if they can live with the minuses, and are okay with the pluses.
But loyalist?...hardly.
And the abuses have been going on for much longer than 2 years...thankfully the culture has changed in the last 4-5 years, and we will continue to build our group so we can march into negotiations lock-step as one.
12-30-2014, 06:53 AM
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reciprocal agreements
Hey all,
Just wondering if someone can post the list of reciprocal carriers to jumpseat/nonrev for atlas? Starting class in a few weeks and want to have an idea. Thanks
Just wondering if someone can post the list of reciprocal carriers to jumpseat/nonrev for atlas? Starting class in a few weeks and want to have an idea. Thanks
12-30-2014, 08:00 AM
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Pretty much everybody. If it's some really obscure airline I'll try to look it up for you, but we can jumpseat and allow jumpseaters from any place I've ever heard of. As I'm sure you're aware it'll be a week or two until you're in CASS after starting class though.
12-30-2014, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 744driver
I really don't care if you know me or not...that is not the point here. It has to do with presenting the pluses and minuses here. It is not about me or you...it is about helping the applicants make the right decision.
I keep having to tell you and others to make a fair case so they can make a decision and see if they can live with the minuses, and are okay with the pluses.
But loyalist?...hardly.
And the abuses have been going on for much longer than 2 years...thankfully the culture has changed in the last 4-5 years, and we will continue to build our group so we can march into negotiations lock-step as one.
I keep having to tell you and others to make a fair case so they can make a decision and see if they can live with the minuses, and are okay with the pluses.
But loyalist?...hardly.
And the abuses have been going on for much longer than 2 years...thankfully the culture has changed in the last 4-5 years, and we will continue to build our group so we can march into negotiations lock-step as one.
- A chance to add international widebody to a resume to get a call at a legacy
- If you don't get called, hopefully enjoy a decent CBA in a few years
- We're not the bottom of this segment, but you can clearly see it.
- You can go some places that you won't anywhere else. (Purely intrinsic)
The negatives clearly outweigh the positives in this hiring environment.
"This is the life you've chosen" and "If you can't deal with the schedule why'd you come here?" are phrases way too often uttered in our cockpits. They clearly demonstrate a lack of SA by those speaking them.
12-31-2014, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JerrySpringer
Here are the pluses for a new hire:
- A chance to add international widebody to a resume to get a call at a legacy
- If you don't get called, hopefully enjoy a decent CBA in a few years
- We're not the bottom of this segment, but you can clearly see it.
- You can go some places that you won't anywhere else. (Purely intrinsic)
The negatives clearly outweigh the positives in this hiring environment.
"This is the life you've chosen" and "If you can't deal with the schedule why'd you come here?" are phrases way too often uttered in our cockpits. They clearly demonstrate a lack of SA by those speaking them.
- A chance to add international widebody to a resume to get a call at a legacy
- If you don't get called, hopefully enjoy a decent CBA in a few years
- We're not the bottom of this segment, but you can clearly see it.
- You can go some places that you won't anywhere else. (Purely intrinsic)
The negatives clearly outweigh the positives in this hiring environment.
"This is the life you've chosen" and "If you can't deal with the schedule why'd you come here?" are phrases way too often uttered in our cockpits. They clearly demonstrate a lack of SA by those speaking them.
IMO THis is generally from the dinosaurs that only know Atlas SOPs and will mostly be gone in 3-5 years.
01-01-2015, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by junglejet527
Hey all,
Just wondering if someone can post the list of reciprocal carriers to jumpseat/nonrev for atlas? Starting class in a few weeks and want to have an idea. Thanks
Just wondering if someone can post the list of reciprocal carriers to jumpseat/nonrev for atlas? Starting class in a few weeks and want to have an idea. Thanks
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