Atlas Air Hiring
12-27-2014, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Tango 6
Going back to ALPA? Wow that is the way fwd. The teamsters seem to be in bed with the company. I think its our only chance of having a good contract. I cant think of any contract that the teamsters have helped an airline with that is industry leading. We are supporting the lot of airlines in this airline division. Being the little dog on the block would definately be to our advantage.
BTW, who are you saying is in bed with the company? IBT (above the airline division) or your elected representatives? Do you think your elected reps would change in a switch? My guess is the same people would run and the results would be similar.
Are you on a committee or just sniping from the sidelines? Now is the time to build on some of our recent solidarity gains, not try and tear it apart.
12-27-2014, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by kme9418
It's also the bottom 200-300 folks that are very portable and can make up their seniority very quickly somewhere else in just a few years based on mandatory retirements at the big 3. Makes 2016 kind of a hard line in the sand for me.
12-27-2014, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Tango 6
Going back to ALPA? Wow that is the way fwd. The teamsters seem to be in bed with the company. I think its our only chance of having a good contract.
12-27-2014, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BugZmasher
You're going to see a LOT of people leaving if the contract doesn't significantly improve in 2016. And, yes, I also strictly fly by the CBA. I also don't OB or OT either. We're only hurting ourselves by doing that.
I enjoy the Atlas flying. I came here intending to stay and make this last, but I do need to see some improvements. A few posts earlier someone mentioned 2016 as the line in the sand. I think 2017 (1 year of negotiations) will be that line if no contract is signed.
12-27-2014, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KYTBRD
You're assuming there is a contract in 2016. I think the sign of no improvement will be negotiations which drag out for a few years. Folks will leave in the mean time, as no end to negotiations will = no improvements.
I enjoy the Atlas flying. I came here intending to stay and make this last, but I do need to see some improvements. A few posts earlier someone mentioned 2016 as the line in the sand. I think 2017 (1 year of negotiations) will be that line if no contract is signed.
I enjoy the Atlas flying. I came here intending to stay and make this last, but I do need to see some improvements. A few posts earlier someone mentioned 2016 as the line in the sand. I think 2017 (1 year of negotiations) will be that line if no contract is signed.
12-27-2014, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
Hate to say, unless the company really comes to the table in good faith, 2018 or 2019 is probably more realistic. Could even go beyond that if it gets really bad.
12-27-2014, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jetjock6
+1...We need to have the NMB involved from the start as well. The company is not going to come to the table in good faith.
Under the Railway Labor Act, an airline or railroad union contract does not expire; it remains in force and amendable until a new contract is ratified by the union members, or until either side exercises "self-help," which could be a strike by employees or a lockout by management. Before this can happen, the NMB-appointed mediator must declare an impasse in negotiations, which starts a 30-day cooling off period, during which negotiations continue.
Over the course of YEARS before anything happens.
12-27-2014, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JerrySpringer
Start saving your strike fund TODAY if you don't already have one.
Strike fund and Junior FO don't go hand in hand around here when folks are being reduced to min guarantee and can't get an OT trip on VX days. Not a complaint but and honest observation.
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