Atlas Air Hiring
12-27-2014 | 05:23 AM
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kme, C5, and Timmy,
While what you are saying is likely so, you and others are here for now...and not sitting in a class at DL, UA, etc.
I also know that you are here because you like lots of things, while we are all convinced that it could get much better. The potential exists but it will mean we have to convince the top of the group to play ball our way...it is that simple, right?
So, while you are here, it is seriously time to try to make this place better. But the only way to make that happen is to...
1. Fly strictly per the CBA...no allowances to be made for anything.
2. Convince the naysayers to think in the long term, not just for their next pay check.
All the best to all of us in the new year...
While what you are saying is likely so, you and others are here for now...and not sitting in a class at DL, UA, etc.
I also know that you are here because you like lots of things, while we are all convinced that it could get much better. The potential exists but it will mean we have to convince the top of the group to play ball our way...it is that simple, right?
So, while you are here, it is seriously time to try to make this place better. But the only way to make that happen is to...
1. Fly strictly per the CBA...no allowances to be made for anything.
2. Convince the naysayers to think in the long term, not just for their next pay check.
All the best to all of us in the new year...
12-27-2014 | 07:34 AM
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From: FO
Going back to ALPA? Wow that is the way fwd. The teamsters seem to be in bed with the company. I think its our only chance of having a good contract. I cant think of any contract that the teamsters have helped an airline with that is industry leading. We are supporting the lot of airlines in this airline division. Being the little dog on the block would definately be to our advantage.
12-27-2014 | 09:09 AM
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From: A320 CA
kme, C5, and Timmy,
While what you are saying is likely so, you and others are here for now...and not sitting in a class at DL, UA, etc.
I also know that you are here because you like lots of things, while we are all convinced that it could get much better. The potential exists but it will mean we have to convince the top of the group to play ball our way...it is that simple, right?
So, while you are here, it is seriously time to try to make this place better. But the only way to make that happen is to...
1. Fly strictly per the CBA...no allowances to be made for anything.
2. Convince the naysayers to think in the long term, not just for their next pay check.
All the best to all of us in the new year...
While what you are saying is likely so, you and others are here for now...and not sitting in a class at DL, UA, etc.
I also know that you are here because you like lots of things, while we are all convinced that it could get much better. The potential exists but it will mean we have to convince the top of the group to play ball our way...it is that simple, right?
So, while you are here, it is seriously time to try to make this place better. But the only way to make that happen is to...
1. Fly strictly per the CBA...no allowances to be made for anything.
2. Convince the naysayers to think in the long term, not just for their next pay check.
All the best to all of us in the new year...
12-27-2014 | 09:35 AM
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From: 757/767 FO
Going back to ALPA? Wow that is the way fwd. The teamsters seem to be in bed with the company. I think its our only chance of having a good contract. I cant think of any contract that the teamsters have helped an airline with that is industry leading. We are supporting the lot of airlines in this airline division. Being the little dog on the block would definately be to our advantage.
BTW, who are you saying is in bed with the company? IBT (above the airline division) or your elected representatives? Do you think your elected reps would change in a switch? My guess is the same people would run and the results would be similar.
Are you on a committee or just sniping from the sidelines? Now is the time to build on some of our recent solidarity gains, not try and tear it apart.
12-27-2014 | 10:07 AM
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You're going to see a LOT of people leaving if the contract doesn't significantly improve in 2016. And, yes, I also strictly fly by the CBA. I also don't OB or OT either. We're only hurting ourselves by doing that.
12-27-2014 | 11:08 AM
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12-27-2014 | 01:05 PM
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I enjoy the Atlas flying. I came here intending to stay and make this last, but I do need to see some improvements. A few posts earlier someone mentioned 2016 as the line in the sand. I think 2017 (1 year of negotiations) will be that line if no contract is signed.
12-27-2014 | 02:56 PM
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You're assuming there is a contract in 2016. I think the sign of no improvement will be negotiations which drag out for a few years. Folks will leave in the mean time, as no end to negotiations will = no improvements.
I enjoy the Atlas flying. I came here intending to stay and make this last, but I do need to see some improvements. A few posts earlier someone mentioned 2016 as the line in the sand. I think 2017 (1 year of negotiations) will be that line if no contract is signed.
I enjoy the Atlas flying. I came here intending to stay and make this last, but I do need to see some improvements. A few posts earlier someone mentioned 2016 as the line in the sand. I think 2017 (1 year of negotiations) will be that line if no contract is signed.
12-27-2014 | 03:51 PM
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From: CA 747-400/-8
+1...We need to have the NMB involved from the start as well. The company is not going to come to the table in good faith.
12-27-2014 | 05:41 PM
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Under the Railway Labor Act, an airline or railroad union contract does not expire; it remains in force and amendable until a new contract is ratified by the union members, or until either side exercises "self-help," which could be a strike by employees or a lockout by management. Before this can happen, the NMB-appointed mediator must declare an impasse in negotiations, which starts a 30-day cooling off period, during which negotiations continue.
Over the course of YEARS before anything happens.
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