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Old 12-27-2014, 08:43 PM
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Old 12-27-2014, 09:00 PM
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Start saving your strike fund TODAY if you don't already have one.
Since I am pursuing a career at Atlas and I don't have a copy of the contract, could you guys please tell me what the major complaints are that could possibly warrant a strike? I know the job is fun and most people seem to enjoy it. I also know 17-20 days is a long time to be gone. I see a lot of positives to this job as well: no commuting, no crashpads, interesting destinations, big shiny jets, long stretch of days off, live where you want, and not being stuck at a regional for your entire career. Everyone on here has been very helpful and I know all of us new guys really appreciate it!!
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Old 12-28-2014, 12:46 AM
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Since I am pursuing a career at Atlas and I don't have a copy of the contract, could you guys please tell me what the major complaints are that could possibly warrant a strike?
Smells like management...
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Old 12-28-2014, 03:27 AM
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If you're looking for a job based on big shiny jets, stay in the regional arena.
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Old 12-28-2014, 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Loop View Post
Since I am pursuing a career at Atlas and I don't have a copy of the contract, could you guys please tell me what the major complaints are that could possibly warrant a strike?
If you're really interested, you should be fully aware of the good and the bad. Read the entire thread when you can, and let me know if you've discovered any downsides by then.

This job can be great fun when the company honors our contract. (Even though we lag way behind in pay and especially retirement contributions) Been a while since i went a whole trip without some department trying to wiggle out of something made clear in the CBA. YMMV
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Old 12-28-2014, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by captainv View Post
If you're really interested, you should be fully aware of the good and the bad. Read the entire thread when you can, and let me know if you've discovered any downsides by then.

This job can be great fun when the company honors our contract. (Even though we lag way behind in pay and especially retirement contributions) Been a while since i went a whole trip without some department trying to wiggle out of something made clear in the CBA. YMMV
+1. See this thread for further discussion:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ch...as-thread.html
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Old 12-28-2014, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BugZmasher View Post
Smells like management...
I'm not management, I'm a regional guy trying to figure out the next step in my career. I have an interview the first week of Jan and I'm really excited about it. Just trying to weigh the good and bad. I've read about half the thread but 1010 pages is quite a lot. Commuting on rsv with a 4 hour flight doesn't leave me much time before my interview to read the whole thing. I'll get through it though!
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Old 12-28-2014, 11:01 AM
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Hate to say, unless the company really comes to the table in good faith, 2018 or 2019 is probably more realistic. Could even go beyond that if it gets really bad.

I agree..."industry leading" contract 2016 coming to you....in 2020. Good luck. Going to get worse before it gets better. I am not a pessimist... but a realist.
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Old 12-29-2014, 06:12 AM
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FWIW our CEO specifically stated in one of his public conference calls with investors (8K or 10K) that they were not planning on coming to the table until the last possible moment (2018 or later). The reference is on the "other" pilot forum. IMHO, it will get worse before it gets better.

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Old 12-29-2014, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Loop View Post
Since I am pursuing a career at Atlas and I don't have a copy of the contract, could you guys please tell me what the major complaints are that could possibly warrant a strike? I know the job is fun and most people seem to enjoy it. I also know 17-20 days is a long time to be gone. I see a lot of positives to this job as well: no commuting, no crashpads, interesting destinations, big shiny jets, long stretch of days off, live where you want, and not being stuck at a regional for your entire career. Everyone on here has been very helpful and I know all of us new guys really appreciate it!!
I'll bite...

1. Retirement is about 1/3rd of an industry standard contract.
2. Hourly pay rate is about 75-80% of industry standard.
3. Due to work rules you'll probably only log 80% of the credit hours you would with an industry standard contract.
4. Vacation, getting sick, and even having to take a checkride will all mean that you get guarantee that month.... Guarantee is about 75-80% of industry standard (62 hours).
5. You only get 14 days of vacation a year which is probably half industry standard... Or less.
6. Given that you leave out and are gone for 17 days you'll spend more time at work then you will at a Legacy or Southwest.
7. Unlimited schedule changes will reduce your pay by probably 5%... Possibly more.
8. Profit sharing excludes more than half of the profit. This means that our profit sharing is probably worth about 40% of an industry standard profit sharing - many years much less. Last year my profit sharing was $500.

Given all of that I figure that Atlas pays 60% of what you're paid at a job that people are leaving here for meaning American, Delta, United, Southwest, UPS, or FedEx. While getting compensated at a FAR less rate you'll certainly spend much more time at work. I love Atlas and it's a great place to work but much like they've got a business to run, I have a family to worry about.
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