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Old 01-13-2015, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
It may be a while before that increase happens. Personally I think management would be attempting to give us some of that now to slow/prevent attrition if paying us fairly were in their business model. Solidarity is going to be key and it might take a while in my opinion. I do know that we're a great group of intelligent pilots who are up to the task.
SO are the techies on H1B visa's working for chump change in silicon valley....unfortunately they can't and won't ask for their true value. Unfortunately in the past the Atlas pilot group has IMO never nutted up to the negotiating table and that's why we have a SL and schedulers/planners whom run over/a muck over any contract in place. Its sad that its gotten to this point!
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Old 01-14-2015, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BGD011 View Post
Thanks all for the input.
If you could please give an example of 60-day (3 trips) line foot print. Curious where did blocks of days off fall in between those 3 trips. Also, is there a contractual min block of days off line/reserve?
We could give you an example, but it wouldn't necessarily be representative of the 60 day line foot print because there really isn't one. Days off on 60 day lines come in blocks just about anywhere during the month. The closest thing to a hard and fast rule on 60 day lines is that you will be working over the monthly transition. That said, your trip could start 3 days before the end of the month or 10 days before the end of the month.

However, to give you one specific example of what a very junior 767 FO's line looks like, here it is:

60 Day Hybrid Line (due to 4 days of R1 reserve at start of line)
Jan 1-4: R1 Home Reserve
Jan 5-10: Off
Jan 11-12: DH CVG-NRT
Jan 14-16: NRT-SYD-NRT
Jan 17-18: DH NRT-ANC-CVG
Jan 19-26: Off
Jan 27-28: DH CVG-NRT
Jan 29-30: NRT-SYD
Jan 31-Feb 1: SYD-PVG
Feb 2-3: DH PVG-ANC-CVG
Feb 4-10: Off
Feb 11-12: DH CVG-NRT
Feb 13: NRT-SYD
Feb 14-17: Layover SYD
Feb 18-19: SYD-TPE
Feb 20-21: TPE-NGO-ICN-TPE
Feb 21: DH TPE-HKG-ANC
Feb 22-23: DH ANC-ORD-CVG
Feb 24-Mar 1: Off

Credit/Days off for Jan are 51.05 (which means min guarantee of 62) and 14 days
Credit/Days off for Feb are 75.90 (paid off CRT) and 13 days
Also keep in mind that if you don't live in/near CVG, you will be flying to and from work on some of those days off.

Here's the kicker, I don't know if the guy actually flew this schedule or not, especially considering how shorthanded we are right now. I just flew with a different junior FO who had been awarded the MSP/ORD hub runs out of CVG. He was in ORD for a weekend layover when Scheduling called him and flew him up to MKE, where we met and operated a VIP charter to LHR on Sunday night. He then was DH'd on a Mideast carrier all the way to NRT to operate a single NRT-SYD leg, followed by DH to PVG-ANC-CVG. He'll not see ORD again this month, which is a bummer for him because he lives pretty local to ORD.

Seniority at this airline is pretty meaningless when it comes to your schedule, simply due to the fact that the schedules change so frequently (and you are not pay protected for your awarded bid line). Also, on the 767 all the lines pay off of our trip rig because none of them have enough block hours to break the 62 hour min guarantee, which essentially turns you into a salaried pilot and are treated by management as such.

When I first started, you could at least be confident that if you were awarded a line of DHL hub flying (either in CVG or Asia) that your schedule wouldn't be messed with, but now that the company is so shorthanded even that is off the table.

Most 60 day lines will have 3 trips. Usually, the first trip will be 7-8 days followed by a stretch of days off, then a 17 day trip over the monthly transition, followed by another stretch of days off, and finally another 7-8 day trip sometime later in the 2nd bid month.

I think the contractual minimum block of days off is 5. Also, reserve line holders can be extended up to 3 days (and paid "overtime" for it) without the crewmember's concurrence. Everyone gets 4 "Guaranteed Days Off" which may be used in the first 9 months of the year. These are post-bid GDO's, and are used to proactively prevent the company extending you. You have to call Scheduling prior to the pairing's start and tell them you are using a GDO at the conclusion of the upcoming pairing.

My first year, I only got stuck with the 50 hour min guarantee one month (out of 9 on the line). Since then, I've only been stuck at the 62 min guarantee 3 months (although one of those was self induced via a sick call, and one of the others was due to training conflicting with my awarded line). I'm sure you could find other guys, though, that were stuck at min guarantee a lot more than I have been.

Sorry for the lengthy reply, but what you asked is unfortunately NOT a simple question here at Atlas.
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Old 01-14-2015, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos View Post
We could give you an example, but it wouldn't necessarily be representative of the 60 day line foot print because there really isn't one. Days off on 60 day lines come in blocks just about anywhere during the month. The closest thing to a hard and fast rule on 60 day lines is that you will be working over the monthly transition. That said, your trip could start 3 days before the end of the month or 10 days before the end of the month.

However, to give you one specific example of what a very junior 767 FO's line looks like, here it is:

60 Day Hybrid Line (due to 4 days of R1 reserve at start of line)
Jan 1-4: R1 Home Reserve
Jan 5-10: Off
Jan 11-12: DH CVG-NRT
Jan 14-16: NRT-SYD-NRT
Jan 17-18: DH NRT-ANC-CVG
Jan 19-26: Off
Jan 27-28: DH CVG-NRT
Jan 29-30: NRT-SYD
Jan 31-Feb 1: SYD-PVG
Feb 2-3: DH PVG-ANC-CVG
Feb 4-10: Off
Feb 11-12: DH CVG-NRT
Feb 13: NRT-SYD
Feb 14-17: Layover SYD
Feb 18-19: SYD-TPE
Feb 20-21: TPE-NGO-ICN-TPE
Feb 21: DH TPE-HKG-ANC
Feb 22-23: DH ANC-ORD-CVG
Feb 24-Mar 1: Off

Credit/Days off for Jan are 51.05 (which means min guarantee of 62) and 14 days
Credit/Days off for Feb are 75.90 (paid off CRT) and 13 days
Also keep in mind that if you don't live in/near CVG, you will be flying to and from work on some of those days off.

Here's the kicker, I don't know if the guy actually flew this schedule or not, especially considering how shorthanded we are right now. I just flew with a different junior FO who had been awarded the MSP/ORD hub runs out of CVG. He was in ORD for a weekend layover when Scheduling called him and flew him up to MKE, where we met and operated a VIP charter to LHR on Sunday night. He then was DH'd on a Mideast carrier all the way to NRT to operate a single NRT-SYD leg, followed by DH to PVG-ANC-CVG. He'll not see ORD again this month, which is a bummer for him because he lives pretty local to ORD.

Seniority at this airline is pretty meaningless when it comes to your schedule, simply due to the fact that the schedules change so frequently (and you are not pay protected for your awarded bid line). Also, on the 767 all the lines pay off of our trip rig because none of them have enough block hours to break the 62 hour min guarantee, which essentially turns you into a salaried pilot and are treated by management as such.

When I first started, you could at least be confident that if you were awarded a line of DHL hub flying (either in CVG or Asia) that your schedule wouldn't be messed with, but now that the company is so shorthanded even that is off the table.

Most 60 day lines will have 3 trips. Usually, the first trip will be 7-8 days followed by a stretch of days off, then a 17 day trip over the monthly transition, followed by another stretch of days off, and finally another 7-8 day trip sometime later in the 2nd bid month.

I think the contractual minimum block of days off is 5. Also, reserve line holders can be extended up to 3 days (and paid "overtime" for it) without the crewmember's concurrence. Everyone gets 4 "Guaranteed Days Off" which may be used in the first 9 months of the year. These are post-bid GDO's, and are used to proactively prevent the company extending you. You have to call Scheduling prior to the pairing's start and tell them you are using a GDO at the conclusion of the upcoming pairing.

My first year, I only got stuck with the 50 hour min guarantee one month (out of 9 on the line). Since then, I've only been stuck at the 62 min guarantee 3 months (although one of those was self induced via a sick call, and one of the others was due to training conflicting with my awarded line). I'm sure you could find other guys, though, that were stuck at min guarantee a lot more than I have been.

Sorry for the lengthy reply, but what you asked is unfortunately NOT a simple question here at Atlas.
Please don't be sorry, there is a wealth of info in your and other posts. So very much appreciated and thank you for taking the time!
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Old 01-14-2015, 02:39 PM
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Just curious if any of the guys that interviewed last week have heard anything yet? I understood Ivanka to say that we should hear something in 2-5 days. I interviewed Tuesday but have not heard anything yet.
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Old 01-14-2015, 03:28 PM
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DH's are obviously company aircraft, but if they're repositioning you via a pax airline are you at least getting business class?

@Chaos: that was very informative. Thanks.
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Old 01-14-2015, 03:32 PM
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business for international travel or duty days over 16 hours. or if you are ANC based for a year like me, you get status on a couple airlines after a while.
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Old 01-14-2015, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tankerdude View Post
business for international travel or duty days over 16 hours. or if you are ANC based for a year like me, you get status on a couple airlines after a while.
Thanks, and did I read somewhere that all those tickets are treated as imputed income, or am I making that up?

As far as DH's, the 744 upper decks I'm familiar with, are the company 76s all 4 FA seats on the back wall of the Flight Deck, like UPS, or something different?
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Old 01-14-2015, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer View Post
Thanks, and did I read somewhere that all those tickets are treated as imputed income, or am I making that up?

As far as DH's, the 744 upper decks I'm familiar with, are the company 76s all 4 FA seats on the back wall of the Flight Deck, like UPS, or something different?
Tickets to and from your base are taxed. Other travel is on the company.

We have 200s and 300s on the 767 side. The 300s are brand new and ok for short DHs. That is the only experience I have on them so far.

I have spent some months deadheading more than operating. They will cut your money out from under at any opportunity.
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Old 01-14-2015, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
Tickets to and from your base are taxed. Other travel is on the company.

We have 200s and 300s on the 767 side. The 300s are brand new and ok for short DHs. That is the only experience I have on them so far.

I have spent some months deadheading more than operating. They will cut your money out from under at any opportunity.
Just to clarify: Gateway tickets to/from your base can be taxed. Enforcement is spotty. I got hit every time I touched JFK. Haven't paid a dime in CVG. YMMV

The 767-200s are as old as they get, but they're okay for short DHs (not that you get a say in it). The -300Fs are brand new and are set up like UPS, with the jumpsuits next to the lav. The only DHs on that plane currently are on the short-haul Asia stuff. They've tried DHing guys NRT-SYD, but it's illegal. Nothing over 8 hours on a jumpseat. (Apparently we have some new hires in Scheduling.) You can be assigned to DH on one of our pax -300ERs, usually across the Atlantic. They have a "first class" section, but it blows compared to a commercial airline. Rarely used, but they do it occasionally.
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Old 01-14-2015, 06:43 PM
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Have anyone being call from last week interview?
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