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Old 06-28-2014, 03:09 AM   #1  
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Here is my humble attempt at re-routing the current "other" conversation happening on the Atlas Hiring thread.

Fingers crossed it gets used and allows the hiring thread to get back on track.

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At a previous carrier, we worked 13-14 days a month, and enjoyed doing open time now and then as long as no one was on furlough, but at here, with 17 days + 1-3 extra days for travel to base(depending on No. of trips), there is no stomach for ANY open time. If there was 14 required days, people would be more interested in doing open time. The company discourages it by the horrendous waste of crewmember time-value by having people spend DAYS on company deadheads, taxis, hotels, taxis, then more deadheads. Once the crewmembers are "in transit" the company apparently forgets that current&qualified 747 pilots have a time-value. I unscientifically WAG-estimate they could get by with a couple dozen less crewmembers and a 14-day schedule and still save money.
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At a previous carrier, we worked 13-14 days a month, and enjoyed doing open time now and then as long as no one was on furlough, but at here, with 17 days + 1-3 extra days for travel to base(depending on No. of trips), there is no stomach for ANY open time. If there was 14 required days, people would be more interested in doing open time. The company discourages it by the horrendous waste of crewmember time-value by having people spend DAYS on company deadheads, taxis, hotels, taxis, then more deadheads. Once the crewmembers are "in transit" the company apparently forgets that current&qualified 747 pilots have a time-value. I unscientifically WAG-estimate they could get by with a couple dozen less crewmembers and a 14-day schedule and still save money.
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727GM nice first reply!!!! You stole my thunder. Are you running for office????

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Here is my humble attempt at re-routing the current "other" conversation happening on the Atlas Hiring thread.

Fingers crossed it gets used and allows the hiring thread to get back on track.

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Here is my humble attempt at re-routing the current "other" conversation happening on the Atlas Hiring thread.

Fingers crossed it gets used and allows the hiring thread to get back on track.

Thank you!
Thanks a bunch Worldfr8! Your invaluable insights relating to career guidance with Atlas are always appreciated and well-placed. I definitely think this thread could thrive concurrently with the other and offers a comfortable alternative...kinda like having a two-party political system
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But do we really want scheduling to become efficient? Twelve less crews is twelve less captains and twenty four less FO's. Be careful what you wish for.
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At a previous carrier, we worked 13-14 days a month, and enjoyed doing open time now and then as long as no one was on furlough, but at here, with 17 days + 1-3 extra days for travel to base(depending on No. of trips), there is no stomach for ANY open time. If there was 14 required days, people would be more interested in doing open time. The company discourages it by the horrendous waste of crewmember time-value by having people spend DAYS on company deadheads, taxis, hotels, taxis, then more deadheads. Once the crewmembers are "in transit" the company apparently forgets that current&qualified 747 pilots have a time-value. I unscientifically WAG-estimate they could get by with a couple dozen less crewmembers and a 14-day schedule and still save money.
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Question on the travel. If you live near your base, then drive there, you are going to be gone for say 17 days in a row. But if they fly you to your base; its outside of the 17 days? Is this right? Does this cut into your time off? I am just trying to learn how the sched is working out for the pilots. 17 days on and the rest off-including travel to and from home. How does the sched usually work out?
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Question on the travel. If you live near your base, then drive there, you are going to be gone for say 17 days in a row. But if they fly you to your base; its outside of the 17 days? Is this right? Does this cut into your time off? I am just trying to learn how the sched is working out for the pilots. 17 days on and the rest off-including travel to and from home. How does the sched usually work out?
Having been here around 18 months my experience is that as a junior guy you can't hold the 30 day lines (747) - they tend to be 1 17 day trip with the rest of the month off.

So that leaves 60 day lines. They are usually 3 trips in the 60 day period although I did get one that was 2 17 day trips in 60 days. For example my July Aug award has me off1 on 14 off 13 on 14 off 12 on 5 off 3.

You are correct that you normally have to travel on days off to get to base (sometimes 2 days to ANC). The JFK base tends to go senior because most trips start with a commercial on the first day from JFK so you can just commercial from home instead and not lose a day off.

So, yes, it generally, cuts into your time off as a junior guy (just as jumpseating to work does everywhere else - but at least here we have a ticket and don't have to worry about getting to work)

Hope this makes sense.

(And I think that this should have been on the other, original,Atlas thread!)
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But do we really want scheduling to become efficient? Twelve less crews is twelve less captains and twenty four less FO's. Be careful what you wish for.
Given that they appear to be short of crews already and we are still hiring I would say yes I want them to be as efficient as possible.

I would like to only be working 14 days and making more money - wouldn't you?

(and if we did only work 14 days the guys that we have that seem to like to be on the road all of the time would have more days off on which they could work - so it would be great for everyone!)
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Hey thks WorldDC10 for clarifying. So if you live near base, life is a little better.
Like everywhere else i have been reading too that new hires are all going to the 767. Is the only base CVG? How are the scheds like on the 767?
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