Originally Posted by cargowannabe

Just curious how you know about the phone calls if they in fact did take place? Whatever your position from inside OUR Union you sure do make a good case for management.

BTW, I will not copy and paste the P2P notes I received from a P2P member, but the quote was something like "we will ALWAYS be told if we negotiate." Well I have not been at Atlas long at all, but I seem to remember the AQP stuff was talked about with the company BEFORE we were told (BTW not asked what we wanted to open up 66 pages of contract) and now the gateway travel stuff, kinda makes go UHHHHHH what do I believe.

The $1000 increase in pilot pay to $1 mil rev where did you get that number, supposition, quick math or a truth, sorry fact? You know thinking that through how are we still in bid'ness from the old pay rates to the new ones with the same guarantee??????

Again not trying to divide just asking a question?

As far as where people come from and how they seem to be talked down to, I would be embarrassed to be that arrogant. Really everyone here has a story. Some better, some worse but we are all in it together. I assume we all want the same thing. The best for ourselves and our family. The question seems to be just how to achieve that common goal. I truly think this group is tired of living in a mushroom field.

cargowannabe

Originally Posted by thesandbox

I think Atlas has a good business model and the leadership has been put in the positions by the system of checks and balances that goes along with a publicly traded company and I enjoy the semblance of security that brings. I can not speak for others but at Ryan we did have a decent business model that used to have us at over 800 pilots also flying for Emery and USPS that was undercut by politics at the highest level of the USPS and FedEx. The owners that purchased us in 2004 were a commercial real estate development company with greedy investors that set up so many LLC's that it has been discovered over just the last several months through further affidavits and subpoenas that the owners were actually able to steal over $100 MILLION in just the last year alone. We had revenues of $300-400 million the last few years and only around $50 million in debt.....go figure. We once thought we were the cream of the crap and well supported with a solid game plan but yes, the greedy saw $200-300K profit margins off of uncle sams teet and burned all their bridges flying those measly $30K profit margin trips. It is sad these days how a few can ruin it for several hundreds of others but it is what it is and I know there are already a few in jail for their fuel schemes with the DOD and hopefully more will come. For the pilot group it was a great place to work and we know we made money and supported all their commercial developments through the downturn. Several of us are now here and, yes, we enjoy it and have found the pilot group just as great. It is also nice to know growth and customers are not taken lightly and that hopefully we have a large enough market cap that keeps the hedge funds away as well. I am almost 43 and would like to spend my next 14 years at the same place once again, enjoying the type of flying this provides but it would be nice to know that OUR contract matches the type of product we provide and the customers that we try to attract. Some of us are just trying to help make all of our collective careers here the best it possibly can be.

Originally Posted by kme9418

What is the point of starting this new thread other than to rehash what has been said or is being said in the "old" one? I recommend this one be locked by the moderator.

Originally Posted by atpcliff

Netjets had an interesting idea that might work for Atlas...

They had 3 different schedules, and it worked out perfectly, because they had 1/3 of the pilots wanted to work more, 1/3 wanted less, and 1/3 liked it the way it was. They would bid for one of the 3 schedules, and their schedule would last for a year?...or maybe six month, then the schedules were rebid.

Currently, we owe 17 days to the company. Instead, we could have 3 schedules: 19 days, 17 days and 15 days....or we could make it 18/16/14...whatever we could agree to the company with.

19/17/15 would leave the company with the same number of workdays per month from the pilot group.

You bid on if you want the Long, Med or Short schedule, by seniority in the company. You get that schedule for 6 months? 1 year?

Then you bid the lines for your assigned schedule.

If you want to make more, you can work the longer schedule...if you want to be home more, you work the shorter schedule.

At NetJets, it worked out well as (almost) no one felt screwed, and everyone got what they wanted.

What do you think about this 3-tiered schedule???