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Old 11-17-2013 | 03:06 PM
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yep....767 rates just about the same as JetBlue and Spirit A320 rates with 10 hours less guarantee and more days per month.
Absolutely, and like we've talked about, the seniority issue is a big concern. I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel a bit raw about constant hiring on the 747 while we're stuck at lower pay rate, simply because we had previous 767 experience.

I know...we knew it going in, but...

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I'd venture to say that if one is focused on the single issue of pay then most likely you'll be miserable unless you were working for whomever is currently at the top of the heap. ....and the top of the heap changes places regularly. If you add quality of life and enjoyment of the type of flying being done then it's more likely that the result will be better. Granted, those things are different for different people. What I consider great quality of life and thoroughly enjoyable flying may be an anathema to the next fellow. Atlas is a perfect fit for me. It may or may not be for you. It's extremely important to sort that out early on in the game.
I agree...I like it here a lot, and I'm really just taking a lot of this stuff in stride (I have no choice). This company is vastly better than my previous company, in pay, work rules, and overall treatment. I'd love for this to be my last stop, and now is the time to discuss and prepare for the next round of negotiations.
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Old 11-17-2013 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
Absolutely, and like we've talked about, the seniority issue is a big concern. I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel a bit raw about constant hiring on the 747 while we're stuck at lower pay rate, simply because we had previous 767 experience.

I know...we knew it going in, but...
Well at worst you have 24 months 'till you can move to the Gucci Jet. If another fleet appears on the Atlas ramp I'm guessing that seat locks would be either unlocked or pay protected. In any case, there will probably be opportunities sooner rather than later at Atlas.

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Old 11-17-2013 | 05:55 PM
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Kind of...there must be seats avail on the 74. We can't displace a junior guy on the 'senior' equipment - that's my interpretation of the CBA (Ref for 74 Driver!)

The pay at the other airlines listed may be comparable...but I've never commuted to work without a revenue ticket in hand.
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Old 11-17-2013 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
Well at worst you have 24 months 'till you can move to the Gucci Jet. If another fleet appears on the Atlas ramp I'm guessing that seat locks would be either unlocked or pay protected. In any case, there will probably be opportunities sooner rather than later at Atlas.

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Margin of error 33%. Reference CBA 24.K.3. Three year seat lock equals 36 months.

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Old 11-17-2013 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
Well at worst you have 24 months 'till you can move to the Gucci Jet. If another fleet appears on the Atlas ramp I'm guessing that seat locks would be either unlocked or pay protected. In any case, there will probably be opportunities sooner rather than later at Atlas.

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Kind of...there must be seats avail on the 74. We can't displace a junior guy on the 'senior' equipment - that's my interpretation of the CBA (Ref for 74 Driver!)

The pay at the other airlines listed may be comparable...but I've never commuted to work without a revenue ticket in hand.
You guys are right, and I'm sure there will be vacancies on the 747 when my seat lock comes open.

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Margin of error 33%. Reference CBA 24.K.3. Three year seat lock equals 36 months.
Well, I've been here almost a year now, so he's technically correct. Actually, I have 26 months to go, but who's counting?
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Old 11-18-2013 | 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
Well, I've been here almost a year now, so he's technically correct. Actually, I have 26 months to go, but who's counting?
I thought he meant "you" in the general sense, not specifically you. Sorry about that 8.

And who's counting? I'm down to 11 months, so I guess I am!
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Old 11-18-2013 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rhino12
Kind of...there must be seats avail on the 74. We can't displace a junior guy on the 'senior' equipment - that's my interpretation of the CBA (Ref for 74 Driver!)

The pay at the other airlines listed may be comparable...but I've never commuted to work without a revenue ticket in hand.
Thanks for actually reading the CBA, Rhino12!!

If new equipment arrives (!!) and lots of 744 folks want to move to a new type, there may be situations where they may need to backfill the 744/8, and positions will become available...plus I believe they cannot keep you from a higher paying aircraft (in the case of a new equipment award).

That said, it may also be a situation where (as DC8 mentioned, I believe) that you may be pay-protected if you are held back from bidding a higher paying fleet...but right now we don't have that in the current CBA, so it may have to be an LOA/MOU.

Disclaimer: No, I do not have any double-secret knowledge of the above scenarios actually being in play at this time.
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Old 11-18-2013 | 08:44 PM
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AQP implementation forthcoming?
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Old 11-19-2013 | 09:02 AM
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Not on 76. Only 74. One of the requirements is the sim must be company owned/operated.

Flight like briefing today...best part was video game intro.
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Old 11-19-2013 | 03:43 PM
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Any idea when the application window may be opening? World is putting a chunk of guys on the street on the 23rd.

Second question. There's a sim instructor position on the Atlas web site. Any idea what they are paying?

Thanks
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