So, would you say that those that feel as you and I do are now in the majority?...If so, what is the problem?!! Wait for the next time (if you haven't left for greener pastures!!), and make sure your voice is heard...rally like-minded people around you and make your case.

I plan on it...you should too.

 

I hope we're the majority. It's close I think. As with most of us here I love the flying, crews, and lifestyle here at Atlas and hope we can rally the troops to fight for what we deserve. Unfortunately it's a long career for some of the younger guys so I think they get scared when they hear the older guys say this is as good as it'll get. I like the attitude of yourself and a handful of other captains taking the lead though. We need that.

 

I appreciate the compliment...however, (and I'm sure you know this, but please humor me!!), don't let some of our weak senior guys lead you into a defeatist attitude.

We get the Union we deserve, and we get the CBA we deserve...so, let's all band together and take the CBA that we deserve next time around.

Thanks for letting me vent...I've been scarce on our private forum on the union site...maybe it is time to start beating that drum.

 

Would it be helpful to give myself a better chance of future employment with atlas to leave my current management job flying piston single and twin radial to go build turbine time in an atr? Would be a huge pay cut but may be what it takes as I barely meet the turbine minimums. I realize from reading thread going back a few months that meeting the minimums is enough just wondering if having more time would help you out of the pool faster assuming one makes it that far

 

It is not clear what your qualifications are from your posting, but below is the latest posted at Atlas Air, Inc.

Atlas Air First Officer Minimum Requirement:

2000 hours of total time
500 hours turbine
FAA Multi-Engine Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
FCC Radio License
Legally authorized to work in the United States
No restrictions on international travel
Current Passport
Ability to pass a 10-year security background check and a pre-employment drug test

 

My bad, looking back wasn't really clear, i have 5000TT with 800 turbine SIC 1300 Total multi with 3500 PIC and chief pilot experience. This is all pt 135 time in western Alaska, I don't have much ACTUAL ifr time. I realize I meet the requirements but my question to the experienced guys as in yourself in your opinion would it help to take a 121 job in ATR I've been offered to build some 121 and more turbine time to help put my self in a better position to be hired into the Atlas family. After reading the whole thread, I didn't find anyone with qualifications in my realm. I'm in a position where if i take that job i will take a huge pay cut and put myself in a position where i know i will leave the company ASAP and its not my personality to do that but if i have to for a higher percent chance of moving on then I would do it. Thanks

 

From what I have seen Atlas likes to take all walks of life with a variety of experiences. They have hired people with zero PIC turban time, they have even interviewed people that didn't meet the mins! They have hired people that had not flown in a year... they seem to be willing to take anyone to the interviews. As for your situation, there is no guarantee that the ATR job will get you looked at any more than not taking the ATR job. What Atlas does like to see is your face at a conference booth, that has proved to produce better results than any one experience.

The ATR experience certainly won't hurt is another way to look at it. The 74/76 classes are quite challenging and I'm sure any employer would like to see that you have had the experience of getting through a few.

Hope that helps.

 

If you are assigned to the 747 initially (depends on the need, could be 767/other), your chances of getting ANC are very good as it's the most junior base, if not it could take a few months or even a year, depending on a base opening, and with that base opening and them awarding base bids, you'd easily see ANC.

If you get the 767/other, it is a 3 year seat lock and there is no ANC base on the 76 so you would have to wait 3 years and an opening in the 747 in ANC to get into ANC.

Once you are in ANC you can stay there as long as it is a domicile. If you choose not to upgrade, you can stay there as an FO your whole career if you so desired. If you choose to upgrade and only want to upgrade into ANC, when that opening comes available is when you will get it (when your seniority number comes up) as long as that is all you have bid for, so yes, once you are in ANC, unless you choose otherwise, you will always be in ANC, again, as long as it remains a domicile.

As for the part 91 flying, that I am unsure of and will have to defer that question so someone more knowing.

 

To participate in commercial flying outside the company, you need written authorization from the Chief Pilot. You won't be allowed to do it if you will exceed duty time limits of course. Fly all you want for pleasure or proficiency.

 

+1!!!!!

I am on the 747 and I am all for either a UPS style pay scale or a FedEx style pay scale. What we gain in 767 pay can be somewhat offset by what we lose in extra voluntary training events for pilots moving to higher paying equipment. This concept is gaining traction.