Not trying to offend you. Unfortuantely just like email, typing all of ones thoughts and expressions in TYPE format on a forum leaves room for unintended interpretations of ones thoughts and feelings.

I agree with you. We should ALL be learning something all the time. Watching from the jumpseat can be just as valuable as sitting in the front seat. Knocking the rust off is just as valuable as learning it the first time. I agree, some have lots of previous time in type and as an FO your opinions do matter. But, having said that, Atlas (and other major carriers) aren't hiring young pilots fresh out of an aviation academy. Many new hires without a type rating in the 76/74 have 1000s of hours of aviation experience and have the situational awareness to know when something is right or wrong. I think some folks tend to forget that fact. Each of us has arrived at Atlas from various commercial (76, RJ, 74, etc) or military (C17, C5, F18, F16, etc) backgrounds, but all have arrived with an aviation list of "been there done that, scared my self" situations in addition to the docile vanilla flights when we're thankful "nothing went wrong today". It's those experiences which we all bring to the table - with or without a type rating.

In my view - the jumpseat is a millisecond behind the crash of the front 2 seats. Each of us has a responsibility to teach and learn the entire system. The best phrase one can learn as an FO or a captain is "I don't know." Losing the fear of not knowing an answer makes you look for it (thank goodness for the iPad). Once you become a captain you are by default "the expert on the crew", an instructor. My point was WRT to autopilot or hand fly, each has it's own merits. Neither is right or wrong, but you should know how to do both. If you don't, then force yourself to learn your weakest area and become a better crew member. Unfortunately due to the nature of our flying I find myself in the jumpseat more often than in the front seat. So trying to work on both can take months. That's why I like the 2 man Sushi runs - 3 legs and more flight experience than 1 14 hr flight from CVG.

 

I seem to remember a question regarding first year pay and thought I'd answer that since it is tax season:

Average credit hours/month 71 (jun - Dec).
Pay: imputed income + student pay + Jun (first month off of OE) - Dec salary: $48K
Perdiem: $10K

On to second year pay soon and a full year of flying. Yahoo…..

BTW I used pro diem and their calculations were $16500. So I have something to debut from my taxes.

For those of you who are starting in Feb you should be roughly the same. Depending on when you complete your OE.

 

Well . . . .. the problem with the above statement is SOME airports now require ALL departures to be flown using the Autopilot. For instance: Our Flight Crew Operations Manual states that all RNAV departures in the United States will be flown using the autopilot. It's encouraged for all departures.

This in no way means I disagree with the stick and rudder skills required. However, I do think there is a time and a place to use them.

 

You didn't offend me, don't worry. But, I will say with regard to the above, that depends on the captain. I treat the captain just like I would any other line pilot; I don't expect these guys/gals to teach unless they're instructors (and we do have plenty of FO instructors here) or check airmen. I just show up to the jet, do my work safely, cash my checks, and go home; I don't expect anything more out of my coworkers, either.

What we really don't want, in the era of modern CRM, are a bunch of guys who treat the cockpit as a pecking order based on the number of stripes on their shoulders. It creates a rift in the cockpit that can lead to one guy screwing things up while the other guy watches and doesn't want to speak up due to a difference in rank.

JMHO.

 

Ok...soooo back to hiring?!?!?

 

What are Recency of Experience requirements, if specific, and are they mandatory???? Plenty of 121 Boeing experience just not current.

 

Sorry for the vague/non-specific answer. But I'd venture to guess that it's a factor on the initial screen/sort/rank/rack and stack. It's on the PAQ form, or at least WAS.

"Back in the day", and way before this hiring spree at 5Y, there were pilots hired that hadn't flown in a long time. But granted, many of them were military, retired, and rode out the last years of their mil careers at non flying/staff jobs. But we're in a different era now, and they have THOUSANDS of resumes to choose from.

And keep in mind, there's PLENTY of them with 121/ACMI/Boeing/heavy experience that are current. But keep applying, ya never know.

 

I did the PAQ last month, but I don't remember seeing it this time, as it definetly WAS in the past. I probably have some friends or former collegues there, yet do not know if they are there... Oh well, I applied anyways; 10,000 hrs 121 Boeing experience w/8000 PIC Boeing and they still don't recognize you as a pilot; go figure huh???

 

Hello guys,
Any updates on pool size ( how many candidates are in the pool waiting? )

 

Do you meet the minimums for applying? If yes, that's all you need. We have one in class right now that had not flown for over a year, non-military.

Someone pulled out of the interview on the 11th (unknown reason) leaving a spot open. The next applicant was called and after being offered that open interview spot was told that this would be the last spot for the month. Seems Feb 11-13 are the only interview dates scheduled in the near future... as of today, could change tomorrow.