Agree with all your points, and it can get a little complicated;

This is from the UAL CBA;

 

No worries:

5-G-3 Schedules shall contain a minimum of one (1) hour pay value for each three and one-half (3.5) hours elapsed time away from Base, prorated, on a schedule or actual basis, whichever is greater.

24 hours divided by 3.5 hours = 6.857 hours paid in a 24 hour period.

Although 5-G-2 includes the word trip, it is really their day rig. 5-G-3 is the trip rig.

 

Touche *****cat.

Skipped that as the guys I know (on reserve) seem to usually have the former section usually apply.

 

What he said ^^^^. IF we don't get industry standard in 2016 we will be able to walk across the street (DAL, UAL, AA). Things have changed and a lot of us have no tolerance for our elders showing up to the table begging for "profit sharing" scraps. I'd give my left nut to show up for a pairing to not see these elder atlas guys going out the door with little to no retirement yet continue to defend the company practices. Atlas has trained them well . The tide is turning

 

Solidarity

 

No one will be racheting down...because of the pilot shortage.

Just found out I can get a direct entry captain job on a great aircraft....would have had 0 chance of this aircraft 5 years ago...

 

Cliff, I almost always agree with everything you post but I am not sure you are using the words "pilot shortage" correctly. There currently is demand for cheap pilots not seen in years. If I am willing to make $20,000 a year, I am in demand. When the guys that read this thread are waiting years at the chance to get an interview at Atlas, that is not a shortage.

My little sister is a doctor. Most doctors do not make good business decisions. After residency, all of her colleagues took their first offers at their number one choice hospitals. I instructed her to negotiate. Multiple hospitals would take her out to fancy dinners and each would offer her employement. Now she is not some tough negotiator, never even negotiating the purchase of her own car, but she managed to negotiate an extra $100,000 in income over a four year deal. She negotiated away all performance based benchmarks for pay and negotiated for all her student loans to be repayed by the hospital ($200,000 worth in loans). She still was able to get this compensation package at her number one choice hospital.

If I applied to Delta, United, FedEx, UPS, Southwest, etc.; I am certain that these companies would not be waiting in line to buy me dinner in hopes that I would work for them. I am also certain that if I told an interviewer that I would work at their airline if they paid me an additional $25,000 a year for the next four years that interviewer would show me the door.

I would not have a problem if you said there was a shortage of doctors...but pilots, no way!

 

This will be the key. We will fail if we let any four digit ID number on the next EXCO. Lead form the rear!

 

I just read a 737 capt just got an unsolicited job offer to be capt in China...$18.5+/month.last I heard max pay was $12/mo. I also found out I can get falcon 7x capt job over there....3 years ago I had no hopes of that!

And atlas dropped their minimums twice since 2010.

 

And yet there are THOUSANDS of guys waiting for an opportunity to fly at Delta, United, American, Fed Ex, UPS... yes even Atlas and others..... when Legacy carriers.. or even LLC types like Spirit, VA etc.... CANT fill classes... then I will believe there is a shortage of pilots for GOOD jobs... what their might be is a shortage of pilots for C R A P jobs.