The second link has a precise answer on page 28, last paragraph, beginning with "In conclusion...". I'm not going to quote it, I waded through all that FAA speak, you can read it yourselves.

Joe

 

Call in Fatigued.

 

You are doing an AMAZING job of saying stuff that sounds good...without any sort of backup.



OK, I read both letters. I don't feel like the second one nailed the exact problem that we are dealing with. It dealt mostly with the required rest following the 16hr+ duty day. However, this is my main concern:

Say I fly a normal schedule on day 1, have an overnight at exactly 8 hrs rest, followed by a scheduled 14 hr duty day ending with the deadhead home to start vacation. Things get delayed on duty day 2 and now my deadhead will take me over 16 hrs (17hrs), I don't believe I'm legal to take the deadhead because my compensatory rest must begin 24 hours after the start of the reduced rest. In this case, 25 hrs ago (17 hrs of duty and 8 hrs of rest)

 

Call in fatigued.

 

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! Here we go again....

ALL of the FAA duty regs apply ONLY to 121 flight operations which are CURRENTLY being conducted or will be conducted in the FUTURE!

At the end of your day as an acting 121 crewmember (ie piloting the airplane), the company can legally have you do ANYTHING, for as long as they want. Examples...

Deadhead
Part 91 Repo
Sim Training
Light Office Work
Clean Airplanes
Mop the Crew Lounge Restroom
Etc.

The only grey area is compensatory rest, and this is because the reg is worded poorly. The FAA's intent (backed by their opinion) is that you only have to start compensatory rest on time if you are currently performing 121 duty and are going to do more 121 duty at the end of the rest. If it's your last day, you must finish 121 duty before compensatory rest starts, but after that you can do any sort of non-121 duty (including deadheads and commuting) as long as you get your 24 hours off before going back to work.

I have known morons who will not commute home on the last day because they think they need compensatory rest. Is Moron a strong word? Not for a guy who blows $80 and a night away from his lady.

Think about it this way...does the FAA EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES care about your well-being after the work day? No! Of course not! They don't care how much you get paid, what your scheduling is like, what your work rules are, so why would they possibly care if the company works you to the bone after 121 duty???


Union contracts and company policy may differ, this is just the legal perspective.

 

Compensatory rest is the one grey area because of the way they worded it. (See Above).

The FAA's intent is not to police your life at the end of the flying day...what possible benefit would that provide to the travellng public? None Whatsover. Ask any 121 POI if you want a warm fuzzy answer to back this up.

 

hold on guys. I'm not even coming close to proclaiming that I am the authority on this subject. Just asking a question and looking for PROOF.

Excuse me for not taking Mr. Internet Guy's opinion on the subject.

 

Fair enough. I suggest you ask your POI, no point in spending an extra night away from home if you don't need to.

 

And therein lies ANOTHER problem. Your ever see a switch of POI's at your company? Specifically, one POI saw something one way, the new guy sees it the other way?

 

I recall an instance where the plane was broke at an outstation, and the crew (reserve) went to 16 hrs. The company said they could go to the hotel and DH the next day, or they could go home jumpseating (NOT DH).