Is SIC Type Sufficient?

Reply Subscribe

Page 3 of 3

Thread Tools

Search this Thread

07-13-2013 | 03:14 AM

#21

BTpilot

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Jul 2011

Posts: 496

Likes: 0

From: 777

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30

Good Luck. God speed.

Study and prepare for your checkride. Let the company worry about the details. It is NOT your responsibility.

Bingo...

And why're people so dense with Shy.. He's joking, homies.

07-13-2013 | 04:53 AM

#22

NoyGonnaDoIt

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Nov 2008

Posts: 826

Likes: 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by captjns

Not if you are not listed on the release as PIC and trained to be PIC.

Regulatory reference, please?

(Hint: there isn't one since industry convention does not equal FAA regulation. IOW, the airline will not list you as PIC it it's records but you are certainly entitled to log sole manipulator time in rated category/class/type as PIC in your 61.51 logbook and use it toward any FAA requirement for PIC flight time or currency)

07-13-2013 | 05:37 AM

#23

Twin Wasp

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Oct 2007

Posts: 2,740

Likes: 0

From: Sr. VP of button pushing

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvr1800

What if an airline has a new hire training class scheduled for August 2? Will those new hires be required to get PIC types? Or even more specific what if you're in training right now and your SIC check ride is scheduled for August 2?

In your first case they would be worthless to the company without a type. In our second case the new reg says employed as a SIC on August 1. If you're in training are you a SIC? I could make the point if you're on training pay you're not a SIC. The reality is, why spool someone up to 95% and then send them out knowing you'll have to bring them back for a type ride in 6 months or a year.

09-12-2013 | 11:42 AM

#24

Derrpmetriy

On Reserve

Joined: Sep 2013

Posts: 12

Likes: 0

From: Shiny & Cushy

Training can be stressful, but if you think about it so are a lot of things in life. You gotta roll with the punches, and just do your best. That way you can look yourself in the mirror, and be like hey, I'm good with that.

09-15-2013 | 11:39 AM

#25

CrakPipeOvrheat

Gets Weekends Off

Joined: Jun 2010

Posts: 442

Likes: 0

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Yup! FOs can now log PIC time on their legs as sole manipulator of controls because they have a PIC type. :D

You were allowed to log it with an SIC type rating. Look up 'rating' in the FAR definitions. Then look up the part about being rated and the sole manipulator.

09-15-2013 | 06:33 PM

#26

501D22G

Flap Canoe TicTacToe Ref

Joined: Jun 2011

Posts: 229

Likes: 21

From: answering SELCAL, CH-AD

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat

You were allowed to log it with an SIC type rating. Look up 'rating' in the FAR definitions. Then look up the part about being rated and the sole manipulator.

If you never attempt & pass a practical test for a specific type rating, are you "rated" in that aircraft?

09-15-2013 | 07:28 PM

#27

Phantom Flyer

Snakes & Nape

Joined: Nov 2006

Posts: 775

Likes: 0

From: B-767 Captain

Can't Believe This is Still Alive

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullflank

What you need to log pic in part 121 world: complete required upgrade ground school, written, oral. Complete upgrade Sim, checkride, loft. Complete captain ioe and fed ride. Get signed off. Finally, sign the release of the aircraft. Until all those are met, you are never the acting pic.

Thanks Fullflank. Apparently, you are about the only one that understands this issue. Under 14CFR Part 121, you can't log PIC unless, as Full Flank states, you have completed all of the above AND have signed the flight release as PIC along with the Dispatcher. Period. Paragraph, Q.E.D. End of discussion.

Now, if you want to sit in the back of a 747-400 on a deadhead and log PIC, or log a few lunar landings, go for it. Just don't present yourself for an interview at a major and think you won't get laughed out of the room.

G'Luck Mates