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Old 02-22-2022 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Poland was probably the least cooperative and most tenuous of the soviet satellite states, and were acquired totally against their will by both Germany and USSR). Their solidarity movement led the way for Eastern Europe to ditch their soviet overlords and was a huge factor in the collapse of the USSR.
I agree but revisionist history is strong with Putin. I don't consider them USSR but i would be nervous
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I agree but revisionist history is strong with Putin. I don't consider them USSR but i would be nervous
I agree, but I'm confident that Poland would be protected wholeheartedly by NATO. If not in the spirit of article 5, then in the spirit of self-preservation.
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Originally Posted by dera
"Poland and all the other former Soviet countries"

Really? Poland? Soviet?
Get your facts straight.
Sorry, country that was occupied by the Soviet Union after WWII and chose communism all on its own and was thereafter never actually influenced or controlled one bit by the Soviet Union. And it was just a coincidence all these communist governments in Poland and other countries that were completely independent from the Soviet Union collapsed around the same time as the Soviet Union.
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Originally Posted by chihuahua
Sorry, country that was occupied by the Soviet Union after WWII and chose communism all on its own and was thereafter never actually influenced or controlled one bit by the Soviet Union. And it was just a coincidence all these communist governments in Poland and other countries that were completely independent from the Soviet Union collapsed around the same time as the Soviet Union.
I think you put the cart before the horse.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I agree, but I'm confident that Poland would be protected wholeheartedly by NATO. If not in the spirit of article 5, then in the spirit of self-preservation.
If it went that far, is the U.S. military even in any shape to go to war against Russia? A country with an actual military, and some technology, not a bunch of peasants with AKs, and Toyota pickup trucks? I'm always seeing articles about how something like half the Air Force fleet isn't even close to being able to go into combat. The F35 is a disaster, the new tankers have endless problems, and there was the humiliation in Afghanistan by a bunch of peasants with AKs and Toyota pickups, so that proves we can't even keep a puppet government propped up anymore. Nevermind how un-popular this would be at home and the financial problems associated. Regardless of what NATO or any of that non-sense says, I just don't see how this would be possible to do without completely destroying America's middle class and basically leading to a complete collapse of the government, leaving a victorious and even more powerful Russia. Maybe we should have saved up, instead of bombing caves for 20 years.

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I think you put the cart before the horse.
Trying to be sarcastic at the implication that Poland was somehow free from the U.S.S.R
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Except they’ve proven time and again that they won’t and after 30 years of underfunding their own military now can’t.

Germany, France, the UK, and Italy ALL have a higher GDP than Russia. H€||, Canada has a higher GDP than Russia. But Europe isn’t INTERESTED in paying the freight for their own defense when they’ve been able to get Uncle Sugar to do it for them for the last 75 years.

A few decades ago, France got 80% of their electric power from nuclear energy. Germany was something like 40%. Finances be damned, they are now energy dependent on Russia and wouldn’t get through next winter without it. And there aren’t enough LPG tankers in existence to replace the pipeline. Think we can supply Europe with coal by airlift ala The Berlin Airlift?

They made the CHOICE to become dependent on Russian natural gas, just like they made the choice to let their militaries wither away after the USSR dissolved. And the Ukraine started it’s independence with 170 ICBMs and 1700 nukes that they sold. You think that Russia would be threatening them now if they’d even kept a half dozen nukes?

Eventually we need to let the rest of the world take responsibility for the their own actions.
Great post
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Originally Posted by chihuahua
If it went that far, is the U.S. military even in any shape to go to war against Russia?
Yes, we are. We're not in a position to invade and take over RU, or PRC, any more than they could do that to us.

But could we confront them in Eastern Europe? Sure. That's actually what our legacy force structure was designed to do. Especially since NATO allies would obviously be involved.

They're not ten feet tall. The soviets might have been 6'2". Russia today? 5'9".

RU population is less than half of ours, and their economy less than that. They're not even on par with us technically.
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Originally Posted by trip
articles behind paywalls are written for entertainment! We’re you entertained?
Old 02-22-2022 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
articles behind paywalls are written for entertainment! We’re you entertained?
Not sure what that means? The point was Frackers aren't interested in increasing production in any measurable amount over the next year. It's been around the financial sector shows and reports for some time, not just the WSJ.
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Originally Posted by trip
Not sure what that means? The point was Frackers aren't interested in increasing production in any measurable amount over the next year. It's been around the financial sector shows and reports for some time, not just the WSJ.
I was saying I could not read the article. Meaning you need to pay to see it. Entertainers make you pay to see their content. News sources provide the information for free to the public.


frackers will increase production when the price is right. It oil goes up they increase production. It not rocket science. The Saudis tried to put frackers out of business years ago. They failed. They are still around, waiting for prices to increase to return. You will see.
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