TiredSoul

Mmmm....I’ve got a different opinion on this.
If I see 5 busts then yeah that’s a no-no.
However, 4 Private fails can simply be the result of poor instruction, sign off when not ready, asinine DE and just simply bad luck.
Most everyone here will tell you to own up on fails and not blame anybody else but some are just...very understandable.
Personally I’ve had a Private pilot student fail as he followed the wrong plane on final. Tower tells him to turn base after the Learjet and he turns after the Citation on short final.
Your CFI is a notoriously hard one and at one point the Orlando FSDO had like a 90% First time fail rate.
As a Chief Flight instructor looking to hire you I’d ask you to tell me about the failed Private rides and how it would help you become a better instructor.
You’ve got quite a way to go, CFII, MEI, ATP.
Then probably half a dozen 135 rides. Initial type ride, recurrent, upgrade 135.299
You can literally put 12 checkrides between yourself and your last fail.
Again, just my opinion, as a potential employer I’d shrug off your CFI as that’s a common one and as far as your Private, I’d just feels sorry for you as I’ve seen a lot of drama at the Private pilot level.
I think a string of fails in consecutive ratings is much more concerning.
Fail Private, Instrument, Commercial, Multi and CFI is much more bothersome to me.
Now HR...are generally not pilots or former instructors.

rickair7777

By top-tier I meant AA/DL/UA/FDX/UPS

Pre-covid the regionals were hiring anybody they could to fill seats. A training manager at my regional told me they had accepted the fact that they were hiring some people who they would probably never upgrade, just for right-seat-meat, and they'd cross that bridge when they came to it. Guess they figured there'd be a downturn eventually, and right they were.

rickair7777

I do agree that you can envision a scenario where a student pilot gets eaten alive by the system before he know any better, if I had to have four busts I guess PPL is where I'd want them. That could have been circumstance, same with CFI initial, but he can't get any more.

TiredSoul

True.
Never take a ride when you don’t feel ready to.
Play it safe.
Take your ATP on the flight school twin not in the sim at your next employer.

rickair7777

That's harder now, or at least more costly, assuming regionals resume providing the CTP. You'd have to pay for CTP on your own.

I guess you could maybe attend the regional's CTP and then try to go back home and take the ride with a plane and DPE you know.

The benefit of having the ATP before your new-hire sim checkride is that the examiner has slightly more leeway on a type ride, than on an ATP ride.

aircraft callin

...
Sort of kidding. Keep moving forward in the career if life and financials permit but you’re walking uphill in the snow in a pair of broken flip flops right now. Gonna be a long time before the pool of guys with the same ratings and hours without the black marks dry up.

Expodryerase

A few days ago, a failed a PC at my current company. I'm two weeks away from starting class at another airline. I prepared well, but bust it before even leaving the ground. What is the next course of action? What are the odds the airline will rescind my offer of employment.

Otterbox

Tough situation to be in. Probably worth letting them know. Worst case this way is they take back your job offer. Otherwise if your PRIA paperwork comes back with a failure that you haven’t disclosed on it, they could fire you on day one of indoc.

rickair7777

If the OP used an interview prep company, call them asap. If not call one of them asap and pay for some counseling.

I don't know the right answer and here's why...

At face value, did you lie on the app? No.

Did you lie at the interview? No.

Did you lie about anything, at any time? No.

So strict literal interpretation it should be fine.

However, the grey area is they *can* technically terminate new hires for "any reason or no reason". "No reason" probably won't hold up in civil court, but an actual reason, like a failed checkride that they didn't account for in their hiring analyses might actually hold up, or they might be willing to risk it.

So do you say nothing and risk it? Or come clean?

The risk of coming clean seems like the lesser evil, unless you already have a couple previous busts and this one might break the camel's back. But you have to assume they'll run PRIA after you start training. I guess my concerns would be do you have previous busts, and might they suspect that you blew off your preparation because you had one foot out the door? If you come clean you get to address that pro-actively, not on the defense. I know a guy who had to defend himself in a very similar position as a new-hire... he said it was even more nerve-wracking because the manager had his plane ticket home sitting in plain sight on the desk (he got to stay, and yes it was a long time ago).

The downside to not fessing up is getting fired, if you fess up worst case you still have your old job (or did you resign yet?).

It probably matters which airlne we're talking about too. Major? Regional? ACMI?

Again the details matter and you'd better talk to a pro interview prepper. Bottom line you're probably fine unless you have a pattern of busts, or recent 121 busts.

Expodryerase

Oh I’m absolutely fessing up. Not even a question about that. In fact, I already have. I’d rather be terminated for failing than for lying. It’s all a waiting game now. A slow painful waiting game, and I wonder how often employers rescind CJO for incidents like that.