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Old 03-04-2021, 06:27 AM   #81  
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Mmmm....Iíve got a different opinion on this.
If I see 5 busts then yeah thatís a no-no.
However, 4 Private fails can simply be the result of poor instruction, sign off when not ready, asinine DE and just simply bad luck.
Most everyone here will tell you to own up on fails and not blame anybody else but some are just...very understandable.
Personally Iíve had a Private pilot student fail as he followed the wrong plane on final. Tower tells him to turn base after the Learjet and he turns after the Citation on short final.
Your CFI is a notoriously hard one and at one point the Orlando FSDO had like a 90% First time fail rate.
As a Chief Flight instructor looking to hire you Iíd ask you to tell me about the failed Private rides and how it would help you become a better instructor.
Youíve got quite a way to go, CFII, MEI, ATP.
Then probably half a dozen 135 rides. Initial type ride, recurrent, upgrade 135.299
You can literally put 12 checkrides between yourself and your last fail.
Again, just my opinion, as a potential employer Iíd shrug off your CFI as thatís a common one and as far as your Private, Iíd just feels sorry for you as Iíve seen a lot of drama at the Private pilot level.
I think a string of fails in consecutive ratings is much more concerning.
Fail Private, Instrument, Commercial, Multi and CFI is much more bothersome to me.
Now HR...are generally not pilots or former instructors.

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Old 03-04-2021, 06:36 AM   #82  
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A "top tier" regional hired a guy with 7 busts. It happens.
By top-tier I meant AA/DL/UA/FDX/UPS

Pre-covid the regionals were hiring anybody they could to fill seats. A training manager at my regional told me they had accepted the fact that they were hiring some people who they would probably never upgrade, just for right-seat-meat, and they'd cross that bridge when they came to it. Guess they figured there'd be a downturn eventually, and right they were.
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Mmmm....Iíve got a different opinion on this.
If I see 5 busts then yeah thatís a no-no.
However, 4 Private fails can simply be the result of poor instruction, sign off when not ready, asinine DE and just simply bad luck.
Most everyone here will tell you to own up on fails and not blame anybody else but some are just...very understandable.
Personally Iíve had a Private pilot student fail as he followed the wrong plane on final. Tower tells him to turn base after the Learjet and he turns after the Citation on short final.
Your CFI is a notoriously hard one and at one point the Orlando FSDO had like a 90% First time fail rate.
As a Chief Flight instructor looking to hire you Iíd ask you to tell me about the failed Private rides and how it would help you become a better instructor.
Youíve got quite a way to go, CFII, MEI, ATP.
Then probably half a dozen 135 rides. Initial type ride, recurrent, upgrade 135.299
You can literally put 12 checkrides between yourself and your last fail.
Again, just my opinion, as a potential employer Iíd shrug off your CFI as thatís a common one and as far as your Private, Iíd just feels sorry for you as Iíve seen a lot of drama at the Private pilot level.
I think a string of fails in consecutive ratings is much more concerning.
Fail Private, Instrument, Commercial, Multi and CFI is much more bothersome to me.
Now HR...are generally not pilots or former instructors.
I do agree that you can envision a scenario where a student pilot gets eaten alive by the system before he know any better, if I had to have four busts I guess PPL is where I'd want them. That could have been circumstance, same with CFI initial, but he can't get any more.
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I do agree that you can envision a scenario where a student pilot gets eaten alive by the system before he know any better, if I had to have four busts I guess PPL is where I'd want them. That could have been circumstance, same with CFI initial, but he can't get any more.
True.
Never take a ride when you donít feel ready to.
Play it safe.
Take your ATP on the flight school twin not in the sim at your next employer.
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Take your ATP on the flight school twin not in the sim at your next employer.
That's harder now, or at least more costly, assuming regionals resume providing the CTP. You'd have to pay for CTP on your own.

I guess you could maybe attend the regional's CTP and then try to go back home and take the ride with a plane and DPE you know.

The benefit of having the ATP before your new-hire sim checkride is that the examiner has slightly more leeway on a type ride, than on an ATP ride.
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Old 03-04-2021, 03:29 PM   #86  
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Failed my check ride 5 times now

4 on private (yeah i know thats unheard of but it happened, 3 with same DPE and 4th with another)

passed instrument and commercial on first try

just failed my CFI-A on the flight portion



If I have a clean record from here on out including CFII, MEL and get myself to 135 operator and build my time, would I have a chance to make it to the regionals and major airlines?

I do have a bachelors degree in engineering and served in the Navy as an officer as well

I've been hearing from people that private check ride doesn't really matter and also CFI-A (because of the 80% fail rate)

but with that being said, I think 4 busts are a lot are a problem for private.

what do you guys think?

Any recruiters here would like to chime in?






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Sort of kidding. Keep moving forward in the career if life and financials permit but youíre walking uphill in the snow in a pair of broken flip flops right now. Gonna be a long time before the pool of guys with the same ratings and hours without the black marks dry up.
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