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Old 08-03-2018, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
You don't need US 121 time specifically, foriegn equivalent should work. Military/91/135 can get hired without 121 time.

It's true that DAL specifically seems to prefer airline experience in civilian hires, but plenty of other airlines are more welcoming.

Now if you're talking about being a 121 PIC, yes you need US 121 experience first, foriegn experience will not count, even "121 equivalent".
I'd say OP would do better if he would aim for Spirit, JetBlue etc. He would be much more competitive there.
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Old 08-03-2018, 11:37 AM
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First off all I would like to thank all of you for your input,

Currently Iím under commuting contract with FlyNas I commute back and forth to the states to see my fiancťe. I work 20on/10off and sometimes 20on/20off and I make an avg of 15k USD a month tax free!! 17k if I work aggressively. I understand that money is not everything and itís the QOL that Iím seeking. The truth should be said; it would really suck for me to work for a regional especially when I think about how much $$$ I used to make. I understand that I donít have any pic time but I also heared that DL hired regional FOs with no time on the left seat at all, in fact they only did regional for 2-3 years. ďHeared it from a compass recruiterĒ
It happens. It's also very, very, very rare and nobody can figure out why some get the call. Like I said I think they randomly select a few. Most civilians have thousands of hours TPIC.

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Now, if stick with my airline and build another 3000 hours which would get me 6k hours total, would that make me more competitive? I might be able to jumb left seat after passing 5k hours.
You will need TPIC to be competitive for the best majors. Plan on 2K.

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Iím really surprised that legacy carriers doesnít really care if an applicant have 3000+ hours on the same equipment they operate.
Aviation rules in Saudi is FAA in fact all the airlines trains their pilots in the states.
Legacies absolutely don't care. They operate multiple fleet types and what you get assigned as a new hire involves luck and seniority, they don't assign new hires to a type based on previous experience. they are more concerned with a well rounded background since you'll likely fly multiple types over your career anyway. All US airline pilots must complete the full airline specific type training, regardless of past experience or type ratings (very rare exceptions in regionals).

Some of the LCC/ULCC which operate only one type will likely give you extra credit for having experience in that type.
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Old 08-03-2018, 12:35 PM
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I have a feeling you would not be happy at an American carrier.
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Old 08-03-2018, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
It happens. It's also very, very, very rare and nobody can figure out why some get the call. Like I said I think they randomly select a few. Most civilians have thousands of hours TPIC.



You will need TPIC to be competitive for the best majors. Plan on 2K.



Legacies absolutely don't care. They operate multiple fleet types and what you get assigned as a new hire involves luck and seniority, they don't assign new hires to a type based on previous experience. they are more concerned with a well rounded background since you'll likely fly multiple types over your career anyway. All US airline pilots must complete the full airline specific type training, regardless of past experience or type ratings (very rare exceptions in regionals).

Some of the LCC/ULCC which operate only one type will likely give you extra credit for having experience in that type.
I know a guy who worked for Emirates as b777 fo and CA for 15 years and now he is an FO for AA flys the B777. Itís all about luck.

Everything you have said makes total sense!! Thank you for sharing!! I believe, Iím going to apply everywhere and wait for every company response. And Iíll try to pick the best one that is if someone hires me. If not, I guess Iím going to commute 19 hours for the rest of my life

I always wanted to fly for SWA but I heared my chances are very slim.
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Old 08-03-2018, 12:50 PM
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Release the mic button for a second and listen to rickair, zonda and dera. They pointed out the reality youíre facing and youíre not listening.

1. Youíre not flying 121
2. Itís hard to get hired as a civilian if you donít have 121 experience.
3. Itís hard to get hired with the TT you have. Avg among your competition is 5000-7500 and that includes 3-4K PIC time.
4. US airlines donít care that youíre current in the AB. There is no training cost savings.
5. You have no PIC time.
6. You have no 121 PIC time.

Your current resume is a low probability path to getting hired. Staying at Saudi is a low probability to getting hired. There are options (AA WO) that are almost 100% that youíll get a major US airline job. Almost all your options for success go through a regional job.

Your current salary is great. Itís in Saudiís Arabia. The Chinese are paying more and young guys intent on improving their odds of getting a job at the majors airlines in the U.S. arenít chasing the current dollars in China. Theyíre taking a long term view and doing the job you think is beneath you.
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Old 08-03-2018, 12:58 PM
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I know a guy who worked for Emirates as b777 fo and CA for 15 years and now he is an FO for AA flys the B777. Itís all about luck.
No, itís all about seniority. He is now senior enough to fly the T7; flying it at AA has ZERO to do with his time at EK.

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Old 08-03-2018, 01:15 PM
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No, it’s all about seniority. He is now senior enough to fly the T7; flying it at AA has ZERO to do with his time at EK.

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I think his timeline is off by a magnitude of about a decade too.
Emirates got their first 777 in the late 90's. Flying that for 15 years would mean he was hired at AA 6-7 years ago. I don't think that seniority can hold any group 4 at AA?
But it's a cool anecdote anyway.

He also needs to understand the US visa system better. A "job offer" isn't enough for that. Fastest way for the OP is to get permanent residency via his spouse. Budget a year or maybe 14-16 months for that. He cannot even apply without a legal right to live and work in the US.
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BA320 View Post
I know a guy who worked for Emirates as b777 fo and CA for 15 years and now he is an FO for AA flys the B777. Itís all about luck.
Since the number of new hires (2014 or later) that can hold the 777 is zero I think we're talking about the same guy -

No, it's not about luck. His resume was light years better than yours - he'd already had flown U.S. 121 before going to Emirates. I don't recall if it he'd upgraded. At EK he was a 777 FO, CA and then CKA. I think he had at least 3, and perhaps 4-5, type ratings. You have none of that on your resume. His built his resume and didn't rely on "luck" instead he stood out among his competitors. That's how you make "luck."

Part of "luck" is analyzing the market forces around you. He made some timely decisions before getting hired by EK, and when he decided to go to EK, and when he decided to leave EK. He'll have about 24 years as a Captain at AA and 15 yrs of that will be as a 777/787 CA.

He got his flight department job by applying and competing against his peers.

His seniority is too junior to hold 777 FO. He's holding a flight department technical job that he got because of his 777 and CKA experience and because of that he can fly the 777 as an FO for proficiency. If he leaves the flight department job he'd be a junior n/b FO and too junior to hold the 777.
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:25 PM
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I think his timeline is off by a magnitude of about a decade too.
Emirates got their first 777 in the late 90's. Flying that for 15 years would mean he was hired at AA 6-7 years ago. I don't think that seniority can hold any group 4 at AA?
But it's a cool anecdote anyway.

He also needs to understand the US visa system better. A "job offer" isn't enough for that. Fastest way for the OP is to get permanent residency via his spouse. Budget a year or maybe 14-16 months for that. He cannot even apply without a legal right to live and work in the US.
He's a late 2014 AA new hire. Good guy.

I forget how long he was at EK. He's too young (<40) to have been hired before 9/11. I'd guess he was hired by EK in the 2005-2008 time frame.
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Old 08-03-2018, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BA320 View Post
My fiancťe is a U.S citizen but it doesnít really matter coz citizenship is not something Iím pursuing. Iím sure about the visa because I have already applied for it and the embassy informed me that the visa will be issued once I get an offer letter from any U.S based company itís part of the process + I have a 10 year entry visa but it doesnít give me the right to work. I have a social security, a property, and a Security clearance.
Iím a foreign pilot as well. Unfortunately, thatís not how it works. You need more than an ďoffer letterĒ from any U.S. based company. You need a company that is willing to sponsor your work visa. Delta, along with other majors, does not sponsor work visas.
Itís stated in Deltaís qualifications page that you need to be legally eligible to work in the U.S. (possess proper working documents). Thatís a requirement before you can even apply.
Your best bet is to have your fiancťe/wife sponsor you. The process took me and my husband a year. If you can wait until youíre married (+1 year), the spouse visa is the cheaper option.

This is an e-mail from American. Itís most likely the same at Delta.
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