Everything.

 

The one time I recall the examiner told me that I could get a redo, but the FO could not because he was also getting his ATP.

I was transitioning from CA on another plane, and had both ATP and the type in question from previous FO time.

 

That means you were just doing a PC (if held ATP with the type), and that allows a redo. Initial type and/or ATP issuance does not.

 

It depends on who the examiner is. I am assuming it is not an ATP ride. I’ve done it, with a fed in the jumpseat, pre-AQP.

If the examiner is not an employee authorized to give instruction on the certificate, then no he cannot. A company man can, IF he is inclined.

The one time i did it was actually during my FAA evaluation to become a DE in the type, and my student was also an employee of the airline. It was a really weird ride. I didn’t know why at the time, but the fed seemed to have a hard on for this pilot. I actually had to stop the ride within the first 15 minutes, to step out with the fed and put him in his place, so to speak, by reminding him of who’s who and what our jobs were for that ride. He kept pulling circuit breakers to confuse the student.

Afterward, we had an argument, when I said I would pass him. ( I didn’t like the guy much, but he checked all the boxes). Turns out, that fed had busted this guy twice on rating rides in the two years prior. They just didn’t like each other.

In case your wondering, the student went on to a successful career with the airline as a pilot, but a major dick, in the union.

 

The original poster wasn't doing his checkride under AQP or training under AQP, which makes AQP...irrelevant.

 

And this is why these types of losers should not wield this kind of power. They should be terminated or demoted back to a sim instructor or something. Making someone fail just because "they didn't like them" is not fair, no matter how much an A hole they are. They checked the boxes? That's all that matters. Put your ego to the side, or get shown the door.

 

You know nothing about the persons involved, but seem to think you know all the facts.

"Checked all the boxes," it not necessarily adequate. Aviation is all about judgement. A technical complete is not necessarily a successful pass, any more than "got away with it," is adequate.

I represented an individual who busted a ride and and was fired, and his was merely a line-oriented flight training session after a successful upgrade checkride. He began his session that morning by showing up late, and announcing to the check airmen present that "I hate you, and you're all out to get me." Despite his combativeness, the check airmen, fleet manager, designee, and others, worked diligently to pass him, but his behavior in the sim cost him not only the ride, but his job. A cockpit works on teamwork, not just checking boxes, and a checkride isn't just about keeping needles crossed or respecting MDA. CRM, ADM, and all the buzzwords for getting along, communicating, making good calls, etc, are part of an evaulation. It most definitely is NOT about just checking boxes.

A check airman or examiner has latitude in examining an applicant, and may allow or require repeat of a maneuver. Additional training is allowed under certain circumstances; following a discontinuance, for example. Subtle helps are often given; shaking a checklist might remind an applicant to call for the list; the extent of helpfulness by a sim supporter or check airman might really come down to the attitude of the applicant; one can make one's life a lot harder in the sim, or on the line, by one's attitude.

I used to fly large four-engine radial bombers: direct-cable airplanes that took a lot of rudder with an outboard engine-out; especially one that didn't feather. It took about 70 lbs of constantly force on the rudder, even trimmed out, to hold, in the PB4Y, with an unfeathered outboard engine. Given that the ham standard props didn't always feather, the examiner was within his scope to refuse to allow the pilot to feather the prop, and a ride that went on for some time carrying 70 lbs of force on that rudder the entire time, was exhausting. Go try that for a full blown checkride for two hours. The attitude of the applicant could play into how that ride goes and it may go well, or it may be a hard time.

An applicant doesn't get to show up and do whatever he likes, to whomever he likes, without consequence, simply by "checking boxes." Cooperate and graduate. Cooperate still carries a lot of weight.

 

I wonder what the pass rate is on those PB4Y checkrides these days…

 

I am the poster child for useless type ratings.

 

According to Wikipedia, there are still two of them out there listed as airworthy...