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Old 09-06-2014 | 05:22 PM
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NoSIDNoSTAR,

Has NJA had a fatal hull loss, I don't know about? Besides the ride to the airport is what'll get us. I know two airline pilots killed driving to/from the airport.

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Old 09-06-2014 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
NoSIDNoSTAR,

Has NJA had a fatal hull loss, I don't know about? Besides the ride to the airport is what'll get us. I know two airline pilots killed driving to/from the airport.

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Technically speaking yes. But that was ironical.
Anyway, I was referring more to the statistical chances of something happening in corporate aviation versus major airlines. After all, one school book definition of safety is something not happening.
And if I had to bet who would have a fatal accident first between NJA and a legacy, I would bet against the former. Sorry.
In any case, sounds like the guy won't move to a legacy base, and he is convinced that the resulting QOL will be better than the one in a legacy. To the point that it justifies the millions of dollars differences in career gains and retirements plans. Yes, millions.
Somebody else suggested the airlines are doomed to economics down turns, as NJA would be immune to such. NJA still has furloughed.
He took the decision, so no more reason to argue. Peace
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Old 09-06-2014 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
Research the web. Through your research, conclude if being an airline pilot FO for UAL or DAL is what you want If it is, then go for it and never look back. You seem to be indecisive and want people to make decisions for you (As I witnessed in your "other" post). You are not hopeless/helpless and you are capable, at this level, to decide what is best for you and your family. The tools are out there. For every great economy, another downturn is around the corner waiting to start. Know this, have a plan B and make a decision. And a bit of friendly advice, in your upcoming interviews, do not be so indecisive.

It it were me, I would jump ship. Im a risk taker.

Good Luck,

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"My biggest weakness may or not be...indecision..."

If you want to fly big jets, around the world, go for it. If not, then don't.
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Old 09-07-2014 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
Technically speaking yes. But that was ironical.
Anyway, I was referring more to the statistical chances of something happening in corporate aviation versus major airlines. After all, one school book definition of safety is something not happening.
And if I had to bet who would have a fatal accident first between NJA and a legacy, I would bet against the former. Sorry.
In any case, sounds like the guy won't move to a legacy base, and he is convinced that the resulting QOL will be better than the one in a legacy. To the point that it justifies the millions of dollars differences in career gains and retirements plans. Yes, millions.
Somebody else suggested the airlines are doomed to economics down turns, as NJA would be immune to such. NJA still has furloughed.
He took the decision, so no more reason to argue. Peace

Eh. Sort of I guess. Very subjective. It can be done if you do it right, marry the right broad, and avoid furlough. It's not the salary that matters. It's how you live your life and invest and save.
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Old 09-07-2014 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
Technically speaking yes. But that was ironical.
Anyway, I was referring more to the statistical chances of something happening in corporate aviation versus major airlines. After all, one school book definition of safety is something not happening.
And if I had to bet who would have a fatal accident first between NJA and a legacy, I would bet against the former. Sorry.
In any case, sounds like the guy won't move to a legacy base, and he is convinced that the resulting QOL will be better than the one in a legacy. To the point that it justifies the millions of dollars differences in career gains and retirements plans. Yes, millions.
Somebody else suggested the airlines are doomed to economics down turns, as NJA would be immune to such. NJA still has furloughed.
He took the decision, so no more reason to argue. Peace
It seems like you are the type who believes that if a person makes a different decision than the one you would make then they are simply justifying their poor decision making - - then you end with an attempt to not sound like a know-it-all. Peace
You seem destined to chase the dollars. I hope it works out for you.

Btw - SAFETY is NEVER something not happening. I'd like to know what 'school book' you got that idea from Every safety school or safety presentation I've ever attended (civilian and military) make a point that the absence of an event/incident/mishap is not an indicator of an effective safety program or culture.
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Old 09-07-2014 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
It seems like you are the type who believes that if a person makes a different decision than the one you would make then they are simply justifying their poor decision making - - then you end with an attempt to not sound like a know-it-all. Peace
You seem destined to chase the dollars. I hope it works out for you.

Btw - SAFETY is NEVER something not happening. I'd like to know what 'school book' you got that idea from Every safety school or safety presentation I've ever attended (civilian and military) make a point that the absence of an event/incident/mishap is not an indicator of an effective safety program or culture.
I thought the same thing. Blueskies may be giving up some money but spending time with his kids and watching them grow and be happy and not be commuting to reserve during that time is also worth something as well. Plus, for all we know, his wife could be momma warbucks-we don't know his situation.
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Old 09-07-2014 | 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NoSidNoStar
Anyway, I was referring more to the statistical chances of something happening in corporate aviation versus major airlines. After all, one school book definition of safety is something not happening.
And if I had to bet who would have a fatal accident first between NJA and a legacy, I would bet against the former. Sorry.
So is NetJets corporate aviation? This is an honest question for everybody not just NoSidNoStar. Where, does the level of experience of a NetJets pilot fit in compared to legacy, cargo, LCC, regional, part 135 and part 91? I'm just curious, what part of the industry does NetJets fit into.

NoSidNoStar, why do you think NJA is more likely to have a fatal accident before a Legacy?
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Old 09-07-2014 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
It seems like you are the type who believes that if a person makes a different decision than the one you would make then they are simply justifying their poor decision making - - then you end with an attempt to not sound like a know-it-all. Peace
You seem destined to chase the dollars. I hope it works out for you.

Btw - SAFETY is NEVER something not happening. I'd like to know what 'school book' you got that idea from Every safety school or safety presentation I've ever attended (civilian and military) make a point that the absence of an event/incident/mishap is not an indicator of an effective safety program or culture.
System Safety Engineering And Risk Assessment: A Practical Approach (N.J. Bahr). In the introduction on how to sell the safety idea to top management, state how difficult this can be since safety is something not happening. I have a graduate degree in Safety studies and I do agree with the author. Safety is hard to measure,outside of the risk assessment checklist typical of military organizations.
It obviously requires effort, but that was not the point.

It seems you are the type to make a judgement about others without knowing them. I have quit better paying jobs to chase QOL. More than once. Always worked outdoor the best at the end.
Now if somebody asks opinion in the open, I give what I think is the best advice from the bottom of my heart. You sound like you always say that whatever make them happy, they should do. I simply think that is so ovious and that everybody is smart enough to understand that concept, but if they are here asking advice they don't have a clear idea of what to expect. And that is why I express what I think is best for them, or for every body. Now, again obviously (funny how this all answers about obvious facts) not everybody is in the same life situation. Any more obvious points to make?

I am sorry. I know I come across arrogant, and probably I am, but I sincerely try to help. I don't sugar coat my opinions. Story of my life.
But I don't judge people for having different opinions.
Can I add to try giving you some positive feed back?
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Old 09-07-2014 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by flygirl556
I thought the same thing. Blueskies may be giving up some money but spending time with his kids and watching them grow and be happy and not be commuting to reserve during that time is also worth something as well. Plus, for all we know, his wife could be momma warbucks-we don't know his situation.
That is why my all point was based on the fact he could move in base.
If he could do that, he would spend more time with the kids in a legacy that with NJA.
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Old 09-07-2014 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MWilliams
So is NetJets corporate aviation? This is an honest question for everybody not just NoSidNoStar. Where, does the level of experience of a NetJets pilot fit in compared to legacy, cargo, LCC, regional, part 135 and part 91? I'm just curious, what part of the industry does NetJets fit into.

NoSidNoStar, why do you think NJA is more likely to have a fatal accident before a Legacy?
No. It is considered fractional, but it basically very similar in the type operations. NJA pilots are often retired or furloughed majors or legacies pilots.
Safari as the fatal accident, unfortunately, I base my opinion on the similarity of operation between NJA and corporate aviation.
NJA has a much better safety awareness than a typical corporate department, but the exposure to risk is much higher than in a major airline. Think of flying multiple legs per day into unfamiliar airports for example. Or the stress associated with the overall flight preparation for an unreasonable spoiled customer. Whatever the step taken to overcome and deal with those situations, it just adds to the task and the stress for the crew.
I am afraid I will get harsh answers here, but once again, I say what I think.
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