I am happy to see you don't see my opinion as offensive or insulting.
QOL of life is subjective and cannot be quantify. I want to make clear that I strongly believe that to have the best QOL you have to live in base. I do consider total wealth as more as money in the bank, so if your family happiness keeps you where you are, I definitely think you should stay. But you know that yourself, it is just obvious and useless

Numbers are different, brutally objective, and some see this as an attack to their comfort zone, and feel offended by the reality.
With this I don't mean I would go for money over what a consider better QOL. in the past I did exactly the opposite.
By the times are changing. Major airlines do need pilots.

One thing I noticed is how no major or legacy airline pilot ever feels so defensive when this comparisons come out. I wonder why.
Probably this last statement will offend somebody too, .

I can only go for what I read here from pilots in majors or legacies.
As reported by one of their pilots in another similar thread, a 10 year captain in JetBlue easily clears 300k, after contributions, PTO sales and yearly bonuses. They too are looking to better their contract. Remember that ten year pay starts at 9 years and one day, and upgrade in that company is about 5-6 years in the airbus.
A friend is awaiting class for AA. He is very methodical and financially smart. He developed a spread sheet which shows estimates of about 4,5 millions career gain in annual pay alone, and about 2 millions in retirement package. He is in his mid 40s. AA pilots are too in the process of bettering their contract. Just today that if NJA contract gets much better, probably the other contracts would do the same.

Now somebody is ready to say: nobody knows what the future holds.
That is again obvious, but applies to both sides. So it is useless for the comparison.

If you are on the 18 days schedule, you are home 12. That is what a reserve line would have in an airline. But you are on. The road for 18 days, while in reserve you will be home for some, if not most, of those days. Effectively you would be home more. Again, if you live in base. I got to repeat this point to keep some people from feeling outraged. I am actually feeling stupid doing so, but whatever.

Again I think the discussion can only be about a quantitative analysis.
Days off, days home, money, retirement.

For QOL; Nobody can tell you how you will be more happy, that is something that reside inside any one of us. Needless to say.
Different people, different situations, different priorities.

I exhausted my arguments in previous threads. Please read the inputs from other pilots, from either legacies or major, in those threads, to form a more educated opinion.

 

NoSidNoStar

Can you please provide a link to the post where a JetBlue captain states he is making 300K?

 

He is not a Captain, nor I said he was, he is a pilot there reporting about captains, but here you go,
08-14-2014 at 12:55pm

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/fr...irlines-4.html

Reality check?
I remember you now, you were the kid so offended to find out his dad did not have the best aviation job out there. No wonder your attacks.

 

Gjn290, You want me to find links where legacy captains claim to clear 450k too?
No, do your own homework once in a while.

Now, beside where I have to defend myself against you and another guy like you, can you provide us with a link to posts where I constantly insult other pilots?

 

The most important question, where is RI830 laughing in all this?

 

Hahaha yes I was very offended. Can you please tell me what I said that made you think that?

Do you not notice the constant trend, in this thread and others, of you constantly having to go on the defensive? Maybe the problem isn't us...

 

I'm a legacy pilot but I'm not offended by your statement. My husband's job at NJA is what has helped me work my way and earn the opportunity to be where I am today. His paycheck has subsidized my low pay at the regional level for several years and being able to move around so I could upgrade and live in base and move on to a legacy has been very valuable.

What you are comparing are apples and oranges. Yes, the NJA pilots deserve a raise-they do way more work than what we 121 pilots do-their jobs are much more challenging than flying from ILS to ILS.

I'm not quite sure how the topic migrated to hull losses but Netjets has never lost a passenger. Regionals and legacies have had more hull losses so do you suggest that they are unsafe and people shouldn't work there?

 

Sorry, but I think the one defensive is you.
I posted what you asked, I know you are disappointed about the reality check you got, and you still haven't post post where I constantly insult others. Because you can't. Don't use the words "us" if you are the one having the problem with me.
I guess it is really hard for you to say you were wrong.
Now this thread is about the OP questions, he does not seam to have problems with me, we want to discuss that topic, not about mine and yours differences. He asked again for my opinion, and I gladly provided it. You jump in and You find it offensive. And I can't care less about it. Seriously, you brought in your father as an example of career achievement, in a previous thread, and when you got proven that he does not hold such a high paid position you went ballistic, and started trying to disproof all my statements. But you failed.
We don't want to continue talk about that here. So, if you want to continue attacking me, maybe the problem isn't us...
Clear enough? This thread is not about your dad, me or you, it is about quantifiable differences between NJA and legacies.
The OP can't care less about our differences, and quite honestly neither do I.

 

I agree, not even to compare NJA and legacies, but it is what the OP wanted, not me.
It boils down to this, where is it better? And I did not start this thread
As per the safety part, which should always be considered, it is my opinion that NJA is more prone to an event than a legacy.
My opinion, and I already explained it.
Now, you feel thankful to the NJA paycheck that supported you, and everybody can appreciate that, but because of that you honestly feel like suggesting somebody that they are better off in NJA than in a legacy? Your family now has the benefits of one partner being in a legacy, what if only one of the two is a pilot?
(Again, we are talking money and days home here, not QOL.
That is subjective)
Please do answer honestly, not for me, I made my mind already, but for the OP and anybody else with his doubts.

 

Safe: Google hull losses from the big three legacies vs NJA

QOL: While "at work", there is no comparison to to the Legacy being an easier and more relaxed environment. NJA doesn't even have a cockpit door. Re-routes are int erupted with the trust fund kid running up to ask where his sushi platter is.

The difference is the person who makes 100 grand and now has to commute to NY and take a big pay cut (initially). Yes he will earn back his losses in 3 years or so but that is assuming he is still married and none of his kids are in therapy from their dad being gone commuting to reserve (it happens).

So yes, the legacy job is better for long term pay, retirement, and qol (with seniority). But, some families cant take the initial hit on pay and commuting. If this guy's wife and kids are happy, than there may not be a price tag on that.

My last point is that this whole discussion is moot anyway. United, AA, and Delta are not hiring the average fractional pilot anyway. Only a couple have left and I think they were mil instructors in addition to their frac time.

Blueskies, if you'd like to send me a PM we can chat more there.