Leave NetJets for a major????
09-07-2014 | 05:52 PM
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Safe: Google hull losses from the big three legacies vs NJA
QOL: While "at work", there is no comparison to to the Legacy being an easier and more relaxed environment. NJA doesn't even have a cockpit door. Re-routes are int erupted with the trust fund kid running up to ask where his sushi platter is.
The difference is the person who makes 100 grand and now has to commute to NY and take a big pay cut (initially). Yes he will earn back his losses in 3 years or so but that is assuming he is still married and none of his kids are in therapy from their dad being gone commuting to reserve (it happens).
So yes, the legacy job is better for long term pay, retirement, and qol (with seniority). But, some families cant take the initial hit on pay and commuting. If this guy's wife and kids are happy, than there may not be a price tag on that.
My last point is that this whole discussion is moot anyway. United, AA, and Delta are not hiring the average fractional pilot anyway. Only a couple have left and I think they were mil instructors in addition to their frac time.
Blueskies, if you'd like to send me a PM we can chat more there.
QOL: While "at work", there is no comparison to to the Legacy being an easier and more relaxed environment. NJA doesn't even have a cockpit door. Re-routes are int erupted with the trust fund kid running up to ask where his sushi platter is.
The difference is the person who makes 100 grand and now has to commute to NY and take a big pay cut (initially). Yes he will earn back his losses in 3 years or so but that is assuming he is still married and none of his kids are in therapy from their dad being gone commuting to reserve (it happens).
So yes, the legacy job is better for long term pay, retirement, and qol (with seniority). But, some families cant take the initial hit on pay and commuting. If this guy's wife and kids are happy, than there may not be a price tag on that.
My last point is that this whole discussion is moot anyway. United, AA, and Delta are not hiring the average fractional pilot anyway. Only a couple have left and I think they were mil instructors in addition to their frac time.
Blueskies, if you'd like to send me a PM we can chat more there.
P. S. Hull losses per hour flown, and NJA doesn't look that good anymore.
but that is only a personal opinion.P.S. 2 if the OP is interested in other majors, not legacies, those do hire fractional pilots, even if not as many as regional pilots.
09-07-2014 | 06:05 PM
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Thanks flygirl... You are the one pilot with the most perspective and insight. I am glad that you posted. I have already made the decision to stay at netjets. My prior post is to keep the discussion going for others who are still on the fence. Another consideration for others is the cost of living in the location they reside, more options at netjets with the freedom to choose where to live. I read the thread that nosidnostar referred about a youngster trying to decide which path to take. Corporate, fractional, majors, etc... May be he would benefit from talking to fly girl because she sees all the pros and cons with both legacy and fractional. Thank you fly girl for saying that netjets pilots deserve a big pay raise with all of our extra duties.
09-07-2014 | 08:03 PM
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My United Airlines salary from DOH thru 2013:
2000 - $27,122.15
2001 - $51,273.64
2002 - $75,214.61
2003 - $22,348.90
2004 - $0.00
2005 - $0.00
2006 - $29,185.11
2007 - $69,144.68
2008 - $84,951.73
2009 - $64,640.60
2010 - $2,490.22
2011 - $0.00
2012 - $0.00
2013 - $114,657.21
Total airline salary: 541,028.85 or 38,644.92 per year.
I made a little more since I last ran this calculation, so my earlier estimate of 34,700 was a little low. Also note that I made more than him exactly 1 year out of the last 14. Think he'll do better at the bottom of a 12,500+ pilot seniority list???
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09-08-2014 | 03:29 AM
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Ok, wanna see my math?
My United Airlines salary from DOH thru 2013:
2000 - $27,122.15
2001 - $51,273.64
2002 - $75,214.61
2003 - $22,348.90
2004 - $0.00
2005 - $0.00
2006 - $29,185.11
2007 - $69,144.68
2008 - $84,951.73
2009 - $64,640.60
2010 - $2,490.22
2011 - $0.00
2012 - $0.00
2013 - $114,657.21
Total airline salary: 541,028.85 or 38,644.92 per year.
I made a little more since I last ran this calculation, so my earlier estimate of 34,700 was a little low. Also note that I made more than him exactly 1 year out of the last 14. Think he'll do better at the bottom of a 12,500+ pilot seniority list???
My United Airlines salary from DOH thru 2013:
2000 - $27,122.15
2001 - $51,273.64
2002 - $75,214.61
2003 - $22,348.90
2004 - $0.00
2005 - $0.00
2006 - $29,185.11
2007 - $69,144.68
2008 - $84,951.73
2009 - $64,640.60
2010 - $2,490.22
2011 - $0.00
2012 - $0.00
2013 - $114,657.21
Total airline salary: 541,028.85 or 38,644.92 per year.
I made a little more since I last ran this calculation, so my earlier estimate of 34,700 was a little low. Also note that I made more than him exactly 1 year out of the last 14. Think he'll do better at the bottom of a 12,500+ pilot seniority list???
09-08-2014 | 04:15 AM
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Ok, wanna see my math?
My United Airlines salary from DOH thru 2013:
2000 - $27,122.15
2001 - $51,273.64
2002 - $75,214.61
2003 - $22,348.90
2004 - $0.00
2005 - $0.00
2006 - $29,185.11
2007 - $69,144.68
2008 - $84,951.73
2009 - $64,640.60
2010 - $2,490.22
2011 - $0.00
2012 - $0.00
2013 - $114,657.21
Total airline salary: 541,028.85 or 38,644.92 per year.
I made a little more since I last ran this calculation, so my earlier estimate of 34,700 was a little low. Also note that I made more than him exactly 1 year out of the last 14. Think he'll do better at the bottom of a 12,500+ pilot seniority list???
My United Airlines salary from DOH thru 2013:
2000 - $27,122.15
2001 - $51,273.64
2002 - $75,214.61
2003 - $22,348.90
2004 - $0.00
2005 - $0.00
2006 - $29,185.11
2007 - $69,144.68
2008 - $84,951.73
2009 - $64,640.60
2010 - $2,490.22
2011 - $0.00
2012 - $0.00
2013 - $114,657.21
Total airline salary: 541,028.85 or 38,644.92 per year.
I made a little more since I last ran this calculation, so my earlier estimate of 34,700 was a little low. Also note that I made more than him exactly 1 year out of the last 14. Think he'll do better at the bottom of a 12,500+ pilot seniority list???
However, for the sake of the discussion, to be fair mathematically, I know someone that made 9,000 a year at NJA, using your method.
He worked there one year before being furlough 5.
Again, I am sorry for your case. It is awful.
09-09-2014 | 08:55 AM
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Wow, UAL Sux, I am sorry to hear about this. This industry has deteriorated and I hope we can all land better contracts in the coming years. What are you tracking to earn in 2014? If you don't mind me asking how old you are? Thanks for some more insight. This industry really is a gamble and none of us have a crystal ball and you are right that the bottom of a seniority list can be scary.
And I'm not alone - the bottom 2000+ pilots at legacy UAL have similar W2's.
09-11-2014 | 10:24 AM
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Thanks for sharing UAL sux. You have had a bumpy ride. It looks like things are looking brighter. How long until you think you will upgrade?
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