K4 Pilots Declaration Of Independance !
#22
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Position: Old and Unemployed
Posts: 107
Okay...
Having one of those "can't stand the bull**** moments..." Some of you know who I am. For those that don't, I have been a loyal IBT member for about 30 years. Walked more than a few picket lines with some of the old boys (Benning, Trichlor, etc..). And, went head to head with Connie on more than a few occasions. Currently, one of the old bastards that I used to hate to fly with.
But...
1224 has become a poisoned pool. Too worried about fighting with customers that have very little to do with K4. And, too heavily weighted in favor of the pilot groups (Atlas, you know who you are..) that make up the majority of the membership. To the point of holding our TA hostage in order to make sure that we didn't step on any Atlas toes.
We basically have two choices. Rally ourselves to gain a meaningful voice in 1224. Or, spin off our own local. Not necessarily leave the IBT. But, petition Bourne to let us chart our own course with our own local. We were the founding airline in Local 747. It just got hijacked by a poor Business Agent. And, we have the critical mass to have our own local again.
Just sayin...
Having one of those "can't stand the bull**** moments..." Some of you know who I am. For those that don't, I have been a loyal IBT member for about 30 years. Walked more than a few picket lines with some of the old boys (Benning, Trichlor, etc..). And, went head to head with Connie on more than a few occasions. Currently, one of the old bastards that I used to hate to fly with.
But...
1224 has become a poisoned pool. Too worried about fighting with customers that have very little to do with K4. And, too heavily weighted in favor of the pilot groups (Atlas, you know who you are..) that make up the majority of the membership. To the point of holding our TA hostage in order to make sure that we didn't step on any Atlas toes.
We basically have two choices. Rally ourselves to gain a meaningful voice in 1224. Or, spin off our own local. Not necessarily leave the IBT. But, petition Bourne to let us chart our own course with our own local. We were the founding airline in Local 747. It just got hijacked by a poor Business Agent. And, we have the critical mass to have our own local again.
Just sayin...
#23
I don't know the details but have you looked how ABx was used to whipsaw ATI and being under the same umbrella of representation helped to stop the strike work.
Atlas management tried to stop this and Teamsters won an arbitration so that we can support any carrier in case of a strike work.
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Atlas management tried to stop this and Teamsters won an arbitration so that we can support any carrier in case of a strike work.
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#24
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I don't know the details but have you looked how ABx was used to whipsaw ATI and being under the same umbrella of representation helped to stop the strike work.
Atlas management tried to stop this and Teamsters won an arbitration so that we can support any carrier in case of a strike work.
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Atlas management tried to stop this and Teamsters won an arbitration so that we can support any carrier in case of a strike work.
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#25
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 221
Oh cool, its been a good while since someone came up with a thread that got everyone truly up in arms. Let me see if I have this right- the union that just led you guys to the ACMI industry leading contract (and turned a perpetually mediocre company into a place people aspire to work) is bad because every single thing didn't go exactly as you wanted? Or did I miss something? I have concerns about 1224 as well, but splintering is the worst thing we could do right now.
#26
Here's the flip side, lets say we switch to ALPA, and our union gets in bed with the company... Cough MESA Cough... ALPA national won't do a damn thing to stop that, and wouldn't care if we signed a contract that paid us 5.00 hr.
It's too bad that the Atlas guy did what he did, but I still believe it is a better way.
It's too bad that the Atlas guy did what he did, but I still believe it is a better way.
What 1224 (Atlas) did to us in contract negotiations is unacceptable to me and I cannot wait to see them go. I don't think most of our pilots understand how much work our negotiations team had to do in their fight against our own union just to get us this contract.
#27
Oh cool, its been a good while since someone came up with a thread that got everyone truly up in arms. Let me see if I have this right- the union that just led you guys to the ACMI industry leading contract (and turned a perpetually mediocre company into a place people aspire to work) is bad because every single thing didn't go exactly as you wanted? Or did I miss something? I have concerns about 1224 as well, but splintering is the worst thing we could do right now.
#29
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 91
Okay...
Having one of those "can't stand the bull**** moments..." Some of you know who I am. For those that don't, I have been a loyal IBT member for about 30 years. Walked more than a few picket lines with some of the old boys (Benning, Trichlor, etc..). And, went head to head with Connie on more than a few occasions. Currently, one of the old bastards that I used to hate to fly with.
But...
1224 has become a poisoned pool. Too worried about fighting with customers that have very little to do with K4. And, too heavily weighted in favor of the pilot groups (Atlas, you know who you are..) that make up the majority of the membership. To the point of holding our TA hostage in order to make sure that we didn't step on any Atlas toes.
We basically have two choices. Rally ourselves to gain a meaningful voice in 1224. Or, spin off our own local. Not necessarily leave the IBT. But, petition Bourne to let us chart our own course with our own local. We were the founding airline in Local 747. It just got hijacked by a poor Business Agent. And, we have the critical mass to have our own local again.
Just sayin...
Having one of those "can't stand the bull**** moments..." Some of you know who I am. For those that don't, I have been a loyal IBT member for about 30 years. Walked more than a few picket lines with some of the old boys (Benning, Trichlor, etc..). And, went head to head with Connie on more than a few occasions. Currently, one of the old bastards that I used to hate to fly with.
But...
1224 has become a poisoned pool. Too worried about fighting with customers that have very little to do with K4. And, too heavily weighted in favor of the pilot groups (Atlas, you know who you are..) that make up the majority of the membership. To the point of holding our TA hostage in order to make sure that we didn't step on any Atlas toes.
We basically have two choices. Rally ourselves to gain a meaningful voice in 1224. Or, spin off our own local. Not necessarily leave the IBT. But, petition Bourne to let us chart our own course with our own local. We were the founding airline in Local 747. It just got hijacked by a poor Business Agent. And, we have the critical mass to have our own local again.
Just sayin...
You are too small a group to justify your own local. Look what happened to ABX. They had their own local (1224) when they were AE. With the DHL downsizing, they were forced to consolidate with the other smaller IBT airlines.
#30
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Joined APC: Jun 2017
Posts: 223
Here's the flip side, lets say we switch to ALPA, and our union gets in bed with the company... Cough MESA Cough... ALPA national won't do a damn thing to stop that, and wouldn't care if we signed a contract that paid us 5.00 hr.
It's too bad that the Atlas guy did what he did, but I still believe it is a better way.
It's too bad that the Atlas guy did what he did, but I still believe it is a better way.
**** YEAH BROTHER!!
The same thing happened her at ATI, exactly the same thing.
We've seen where this goes. We've learned of the corruption here and the underhanded dealing and promises to union officials. Same ol'story different cover!!
ALPA is a broke, impotent, lam duck union!!!!
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