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Screwed 02-04-2018 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck (Post 2520268)
Lol @ these people suggesting Teamsters is dominated by Atlas and wanting to move towards ALPA...

I think they should get the representation they want and deserve.

The same representation that is getting ATI such a wonderful new contract.

The same representation that told ATI it is okay to cross the ABX picket line.

The same representation that Spirit pilots are complaining about.

The same representation that has failed regional pilots for decades.

The same representation that takes care of the big airlines but not the small ones. I guess K4 pilots think ALPA will treat them like Delta, United, and FedEx. Newsflash for K4.....you are not one of the big three.

K4 and Omni pilots just love to disparage the Teamsters for being dominated by Atlas pilots. But when elections were held a couple of months ago, NOBODY from K4 or Omni even bothered to run. The only thing they run is their mouths. All talk and no action.

No Land 3 02-05-2018 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by be76flyer (Post 2519680)
Do you only like them because they make you a lot of money? Can you really say a 30 hour or even a 24 hour duty day is safe or even good for your body? All that money doesn't matter if you are in the ground by 66.

If I wanted to be dead at 50, I would of stayed at Mesa, and let the stresses of commuting get to me. The extremely rare case of a very long duty day, a couple of times a year, I will do with a smile on my face, compared to the former.

No Land 3 02-05-2018 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck (Post 2520268)
Lol @ these people suggesting Teamsters is dominated by Atlas and wanting to move towards ALPA...

Says the person not subjected to behind the scene ****** show.
I am NOT a fan of ALPA, I think they are gutless wimps that need to be ***** slapped, but I’d rather have freedom through them than letting 1224 kill our ability to bid for some contracts over a stupid duty day.

Screwed 02-05-2018 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2520304)
Says the person not subjected to behind the scene ****** show.
I am NOT a fan of ALPA, I think they are gutless wimps that need to be ***** slapped, but I’d rather have freedom through them than letting 1224 kill our ability to bid for some contracts over a stupid duty day.

We bid for AND WIN the exact same contracts K4 does. You usually get our scraps because we have so much that we can't fulfill any more.

OR is it because you are trying to undercut us and give Connie an advantage. That is it. Your trying to become the next ATI and screw over the other cargo carriers!

Crazy Canuck 02-05-2018 07:00 AM

^^^Ok now, the choppiness is totally unnecessary. I can understand people not being happy with Teamsters. I’m just saying that ALPA isn’t gonna help either.

I genuinely hope K4 continues to improve, because if it does we all win.

No Land 3 02-05-2018 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck (Post 2520398)
^^^Ok now, the choppiness is totally unnecessary. I can understand people not being happy with Teamsters. I’m just saying that ALPA isn’t gonna help either.

I genuinely hope K4 continues to improve, because if it does we all win.

I’d say Atlas needs to improve to come up to K4 standards.

CaptainHvac 02-05-2018 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2520473)
I’d say Atlas needs to improve to come up to K4 standards.

Totally. I keep asking why people think 1224 is all about Atlas because isn't Atlas (plus SAI) the absolute bottom barrel in terms of CBA's at 1224?

gollum 02-05-2018 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Screwed (Post 2520320)
We bid for AND WIN the exact same contracts K4 does. You usually get our scraps because we have so much that we can't fulfill any more.

I think this Its more like you are hemorrhaging so many pilots that you can't fulfill anymore!

ex402dvr 02-05-2018 02:21 PM

Ok guys our fellow pilots are not the enemy, we are all professionals that want to earn a good living and take care of our families. Most of us already have our minds made up, so sniping at each other is going to do nothing but generate hate and discontent which truly serves no purpose. Yes this vote is generating a ton of controversy, but regardless of how this turns out we can agree to disagree, and still be friends.

nitefr8dog 02-05-2018 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by ex402dvr (Post 2520778)
Ok guys our fellow pilots are not the enemy, we are all professionals that want to earn a good living and take care of our families. Most of us already have our minds made up, so sniping at each other is going to do nothing but generate hate and discontent which truly serves no purpose. Yes this vote is generating a ton of controversy, but regardless of how this turns out we can agree to disagree, and still be friends.

Yes...lets put our heads in the sand and hold hands and sing Kum bye ayh


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