Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 2519609)

You have been on this theme for a while and at first I was buying it. Then I realized that retirement is my responsibility not the companies. Now don’t get me wrong, if a group can get the legacy 401k plans, that is way better than the equivalent pay raise. I have always contributed the max every year into my 401k. I have other investment accounts and I invested in rental property. Diversity is what it is all about regarding a secure retirement. Bottom line, fight for retirement benefits but certainly don’t count on a single source.

Originally Posted by Lockheed (Post 2519650)

I sincerely hope it works out for your group
it can not be said enough that ABEX leaders
gave us support at 1224 exco when we needed it
and they were the only ones

UPS pilots sleep on their 747's
Atlas pilots sleep on their 747's
and we at k4 do to - its nice to take a 2hr break on a 7hr flt

but how about people comment with actual knowledge
these are K4 max Scheduled duty days

14 hrs - 2 pilot crew
17 hrs - 3 pilot crew
24 hrs - 4 pilot crew

rarely and I do mean RARELY does a Double crew have a duty day
in excess of 18 hrs - the reason they use 2x crew is because
the flt time is more than 12hrs

We at K4 LIKE those trips - we like them a lot - they make us lots of money

If pilots at other airlines want something different that is up to them - not me

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2519766)

So can they schedule it at 24 hours or is it waiverable to 26? With Atlas it's 20 waiverable to 22. Or is yours maybe 22 waiverable to 24?

Personally I'm fine with the longer days as long as there's some money headed my way to give the company a large incentive to avoid it.

For example, if it was $1000 a crewmember for a duty day extension then the company would schedule Atlas days at 16 hours for a 4 man crew and make damn sure everything was properly arranged. Instead we get a constant **** show...

Originally Posted by CallmeJB (Post 2519803)

They wouldn't bat an eye at a $1000 per crew member 'penalty'. We're so underpaid, it's all pocket change to them.

Delta pays FOs that much money to extend them into two 2-hour domestic legs. We are flying a plane five times bigger, ten times longer, across three continents. As long as the airplane gets there, a $4000 'penalty' is nothing.

Aim higher.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2519766)

So can they schedule it at 24 hours or is it waiverable to 26? With Atlas it's 20 waiverable to 22. Or is yours maybe 22 waiverable to 24?

Personally I'm fine with the longer days as long as there's some money headed my way to give the company a large incentive to avoid it.

For example, if it was $1000 a crewmember for a duty day extension then the company would schedule Atlas days at 16 hours for a 4 man crew and make damn sure everything was properly arranged. Instead we get a constant **** show...

Originally Posted by Jason605 (Post 2519619)

The irony here is killing me. Wants to corner the market on military flying, too good to stay with the military on an overnight.....[/QUOTE

Too good? That’s how you see this remark? Have you ever even been at Baghram during a rocket attack? Is your family ok with that. Is that what you signed up for? Have you evercridden on Iraqui Air? Did you sign up for that? You are very naive and immature. You can have the last word as I won’t stoop to your level again.

Originally Posted by Jason605 (Post 2519619)

The irony here is killing me. Wants to corner the market on military flying, too good to stay with the military on an overnight.....[/QUOTE

Too good? That’s how you see this remark? Have you ever even been at Baghram during a rocket attack? Is your family ok with that. Is that what you signed up for? Have you evercridden on Iraqui Air? Did you sign up for that? You are very naive and immature. You can have the last word as I won’t stoop to your level again.