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Old 02-09-2018 | 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
I grossed 130k my first year at K4 with hardly working any over time, maybe 10 days maximum? But you get paid a min day? Looking at the bigger picture, who has the better deal?
This is why K4 pilots are pulling their hair out over 1224 demands on contract stipulations. What is important to your pilot group is or can be irrelevant to ours.
Are you including initial training time during that 1st year? If you made $130,000 during your 1st year where you spent maybe 3 months in training then that's definitely impressive.

How many credit hours did you average that 1st year versus flight hours? And how many credit hours are you averaging in whatever year you're in now? Just curious, thanks.
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Old 02-09-2018 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CargoPirate
You are comparing our old contract to your new contract. Apples to Oranges,
Correct me if I am wrong, but until you actually get something approved (2-3 years from now) your "Old" contract is your "Current" contract so we are in fact comparing "Current" to "Current" contracts.

A proposed contract means nothing until its approved by both parties.
Your pilot group AND the company WILL both make some concessions to get it there but please dont think you are going to get everything proposed even as much as WE want you to.
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Old 02-09-2018 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by CargoPirate
You are comparing our old contract to your new contract. Apples to Oranges,

Now imagine your pay rates with our work rules. But we don't want to settle for just that. You have pretty good rates......but we need better work rules to go along with it, and retirement.

Its too bad that K4 pilots feel they have to pick up their marbles and leave. They should have at LEAST TRIED TO participate more within the upper levels of the union. I don't ever remember seeing a K4 pilot running for one of the higher offices. Especially this last election. Nobody even challenged.
You are correct, no one ran. I have no ground to stand on to dispute that.
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Old 02-15-2018 | 05:32 AM
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Well today is the day. I either eat cake or I eat crow🎂
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Old 02-15-2018 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by maxjet
Well today is the day. I either eat cake or I eat crow


Is vote count today? Are you folks trying yo go independent or ALPA or something else?
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Old 02-15-2018 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CargoPirate
You are comparing our old contract to your new contract. Apples to Oranges,

Now imagine your pay rates with our work rules. But we don't want to settle for just that. You have pretty good rates......but we need better work rules to go along with it, and retirement.

Its too bad that K4 pilots feel they have to pick up their marbles and leave. They should have at LEAST TRIED TO participate more within the upper levels of the union. I don't ever remember seeing a K4 pilot running for one of the higher offices. Especially this last election. Nobody even challenged.
Not correct we had a group running that included Not only Kalitta pilots but a mix but everyone voted for ATLAS guys and 1224 is an Atlas union and don't really care about anyone else.
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Old 02-15-2018 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bombinha
Not correct we had a group running that included Not only Kalitta pilots but a mix but everyone voted for ATLAS guys and 1224 is an Atlas union and don't really care about anyone else.
Wrong. The only elections held were for Silver and Allegiant Exco members. If you are a Kalitta pilot, ask yourself, "Did I get a ballot?"

Not one position on the Executive Board was challenged.

The Executive Board officers are Atlas, ABX and Southern, and no one else wanted to do the work.
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Old 02-15-2018 | 11:26 AM
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delete............

Last edited by fr8ghtdawg; 02-15-2018 at 11:56 AM. Reason: rep request
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Old 02-15-2018 | 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by maxjet
Well today is the day. I either eat cake or I eat crow🎂

Enjoy the cake!
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Old 02-15-2018 | 12:05 PM
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Congratulations to all those who wanted ALPA representation.

Hope they serve you well!
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