K4 Pilots Declaration Of Independance !
08-15-2017, 04:24 AM
#231
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Posts: 356
Originally Posted by No Land 3
I don't understand why any Atlas pilot would even respond to this thread? I hope Atlas's next contract is better than ours, I think most K4 pilots feel this way.
08-15-2017, 04:30 AM
#232
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Originally Posted by WhaleWrangler
Because SCREWED is a disgruntled individual. Was at Evergreen, I suspect came to K4 but left before their first AQP because it was "too hard" and is now at Atlas and bitter.
08-15-2017, 04:38 AM
#233
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Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by Screwed
You kittens have been attacking Atlas Pilots and DW since last winter. Just finally giving it back and you can't take it
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08-15-2017, 02:42 PM
#234
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Position: 747
Posts: 1,290
Originally Posted by maxjet
When you get great health care and lose imputed income, then come and talk to me about the race to the bottom. Didn't see those things addressed in your last contract. Our negotiations committee had to address them in ours because our company put them on the table briefly. Guess what? Our committee overcame those issues. Suck it up cupcake and stop trying to blame Kalitta for your negotiations committee poor strategy. Our men got it done in spite of interference from DW. You cannot seem to get it done, with his support. You are working with a company that is swimming in debt, our guys worked with a company that is well funded and private. Still you cannot seem to get it done. Perhaps you should fire your committee and hire ours😋
"Suck it up cupcake"??? Really?? Wow. Pretty impressive slam.
Sure. I'll come talk to you about the race to the bottom when we get those things but right now, we're still operating under our old contract, not a newly negotiated contract. Perhaps you didn't know that. And yes, many parts of our current contract suck. You're not offering anything new here.
Our contract became amendable September of 2016, so we have been working on it for about a year. So a comment like "Still you cannot seem to get it done" is a little premature, don't you think?
The point is that everything that we are negotiating for will raise the bar for all the other 1224 carriers. After we sign a contract, we hope that ABX gets a better one than ours.
THAT is how we are supposed to work together.
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08-15-2017, 04:36 PM
#235
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Posts: 2,275
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
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The point is that everything that we are negotiating for will raise the bar for all the other 1224 carriers. After we sign a contract, we hope that ABX gets a better one than ours.
THAT is how we are supposed to work together.
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The point is that everything that we are negotiating for will raise the bar for all the other 1224 carriers. After we sign a contract, we hope that ABX gets a better one than ours.
THAT is how we are supposed to work together.
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08-18-2017, 05:59 PM
#236
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: 747-8 FO
Posts: 68
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
"Suck it up cupcake"??? Really?? Wow. Pretty impressive slam.
Sure. I'll come talk to you about the race to the bottom when we get those things but right now, we're still operating under our old contract, not a newly negotiated contract. Perhaps you didn't know that. And yes, many parts of our current contract suck. You're not offering anything new here.
Our contract became amendable September of 2016, so we have been working on it for about a year. So a comment like "Still you cannot seem to get it done" is a little premature, don't you think?
The point is that everything that we are negotiating for will raise the bar for all the other 1224 carriers. After we sign a contract, we hope that ABX gets a better one than ours.
THAT is how we are supposed to work together.
8
Sure. I'll come talk to you about the race to the bottom when we get those things but right now, we're still operating under our old contract, not a newly negotiated contract. Perhaps you didn't know that. And yes, many parts of our current contract suck. You're not offering anything new here.
Our contract became amendable September of 2016, so we have been working on it for about a year. So a comment like "Still you cannot seem to get it done" is a little premature, don't you think?
The point is that everything that we are negotiating for will raise the bar for all the other 1224 carriers. After we sign a contract, we hope that ABX gets a better one than ours.
THAT is how we are supposed to work together.
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09-05-2017, 05:01 AM
#237
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: CA 757/767
Posts: 109
Originally Posted by Screwed
You kittens have been attacking Atlas Pilots and DW since last winter. Just finally giving it back and you can't take it
“Winners take responsibility and losers blame others” I do not remember where I heard this, but it might be something to think about.
On a more positive note, the ALPA drive is moving forward quite nicely, thank you.
09-05-2017, 05:08 AM
#238
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Originally Posted by ex402dvr
On a more positive note, the ALPA drive is moving forward quite nicely, thank you.
Sorry to hear that.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might GET IT.
"Holding on to anger is like taking poison and hoping the other person dies."
RIP.
09-05-2017, 09:41 AM
#239
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Originally Posted by fr8ghtdawg
Work together? Then stop with your ridiculous strawman arguments and flawed reasoning that Kalitta Pilots are the reason you cant get a contract. The vast majority of Kalitta pilots while I was there supported Atlas pilots and wanted nothing but the best for your pilot group. I suspect your the weasel on the E-Board that went behind everyones back trying to get other eboard members to sink Kalittas CBA. Good on the E-Board shutting you down and putting you in your place!
No. Kalitta is not the reason that Atlas pilots do not have a new contract. That would be Atlas management's fault.
Furthermore, I am neither a weasel nor on any sort of union board. Never have been.
Your paranoia seems to be causing you some hallucinations and anger management problems.
09-05-2017, 04:29 PM
#240
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Originally Posted by ex402dvr
“Winners take responsibility and losers blame others” I do not remember where I heard this, but it might be something to think about.
On a more positive note, the ALPA drive is moving forward quite nicely, thank you.
You K4 "LOSERS" (your word) have been blaming DW and Atlas for your inadequate new contract.
Thanks for finally admitting the truth
Hope your transition over to ALPA is quick and they take care of you like all the other non major airlines they represent
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