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No Land 3 02-16-2018 02:26 AM


Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 2529760)
You should make sure you don’t get canned then.😀 You are still a Teamster until the certified election results reach the Company, the Teamsters, and ALPA. The Teamsters have 7 days to file an appeal of the election results. I would hope with such overwhelming odds that they don’t waste our time doing that. If anyone should be notifying you of anything it would be the Teamsters at this point.

You will be ALPA seconds after the Teamsters relinquish control over you. This is just what I have come up with doing some research. Perhaps people could do a littl of that before going into panic mode.

A stupid question... If we had no union representation, do we still have to abide by the railway labor act?

gollum 02-16-2018 03:28 AM


Originally Posted by woog315 (Post 2529399)
Hope ALPA does you guys as well as they have done ATI. Worst move I have ever seen anyone make. Good luck.

Wow you’re a real turd aren’t you! Hoping for someone else’s to decision to go badly is about as classless as it gets.

CallmeJB 02-16-2018 04:14 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2529764)
A stupid question... If we had no union representation, do we still have to abide by the railway labor act?

Yep. You are still railway labor, whether you have representation or not.

But that is a moot point. The CBA you have (signed by the Teamsters) still applies throughout this process. And disciplinary action, etc, will be handled by the processes outlined in that CBA.

wjcandee 02-16-2018 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2529764)
A stupid question... If we had no union representation, do we still have to abide by the railway labor act?

You (and your Company) have to abide by your contract. Your contract is between your bargaining group and your company. 1224 or ALPA are the bargaining representative of that group. Anything they do is as your representative, but it is you, as a group, that is obligated by your agreement.

As noted above, any voting or whatever that has happened so far is merely a step in the process of changing the representative; your representative is still 1224 unless and until every step in the specified procedure has taken place. Only then would ALPA be the representative. The structure of the process means that you at all times have a bargaining representative.

And while people think of 1224 or ALPA or whomever of having "signed" the contract, in fact it is your group that signed. Changing the representative doesn't change that.

Both unions have been through this process many times before, and their people know how it works and what to do, and when they can and cannot legally communicate. I expect that the print shop at ALPA is spinning up customized welcome and informational packets, which will be distributed as soon as it is legal to do so.

jhugz 02-16-2018 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 2529760)
You should make sure you don’t get canned then.😀 You are still a Teamster until the certified election results reach the Company, the Teamsters, and ALPA. The Teamsters have 7 days to file an appeal of the election results. I would hope with such overwhelming odds that they don’t waste our time doing that. If anyone should be notifying you of anything it would be the Teamsters at this point.

You will be ALPA seconds after the Teamsters relinquish control over you. This is just what I have come up with doing some research. Perhaps people could do a littl of that before going into panic mode.

Sorry man. You’re right. It’s too much to ask for. The guy that spearheaded a decert and succeeded can’t be bothered with communicating with the pilot group he now represents.

Teamsters however did...

ex402dvr 02-16-2018 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by jhugz (Post 2529843)
Sorry man. You’re right. It’s too much to ask for. The guy that spearheaded a decert and succeeded can’t be bothered with communicating with the pilot group he now represents.

Teamsters however did...

That guy you are referring to, was the individual that took his personal time to go to the NMB to obtain the results of the vote. That guy you are referring to then went over to ALPA to submit the results on our behalf. Take a deep breath, and give the man the opportunity to communicate with us, the sky is not falling.

jhugz 02-16-2018 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by ex402dvr (Post 2529867)
That guy you are referring to, was the individual that took his personal time to go to the NMB to obtain the results of the vote. That guy you are referring to then went over to ALPA to submit the results on our behalf. Take a deep breath, and give the man the opportunity to communicate with us, the sky is not falling.

Sorry but you’re not going to guilt me into caring about him volunteering his time to a cause I don’t believe in. Maybe he should run for office when this is all done and I’ll appreciate his sacrifice then.

WhaleWrangler 02-16-2018 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by jhugz (Post 2529896)
Sorry but you’re not going to guilt me into caring about him volunteering his time to a cause I don’t believe in. Maybe he should run for office when this is all done and I’ll appreciate his sacrifice then.

He has already said he will not be running for office after the fact, I guess he might fall out of favor with his buddy Connie!!

Agreed during this whole process he has conveyed sweet FA information etc.

Lockheed 02-16-2018 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by jhugz (Post 2529737)
So this was exactly what I was worried about. Decert happened yesterday and no word from DP or ALPA. What happens if I get canned today? Did ALPA take us? Who’s protecting us and our contract. We’re in limbo right now with no answers...

...an update would be cool.

The NMB has today sent certified letters to the parties announcing the official results of the labor dispute at Kalitta Air

ALPA officially became the bargaining agent for our pilot group at midnight on the 15th
The staff at ALPA hq is ramping up quickly to service our group believe me

So relax and stay calm

Lockheed 02-16-2018 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by jhugz (Post 2529843)
Sorry man. You’re right. It’s too much to ask for. The guy that spearheaded a decert and succeeded can’t be bothered with communicating with the pilot group he now represents.

Teamsters however did...

Tell me how should he communicate to you?
Telepathically


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