ATI Numbers Leaked
03-11-2018 | 06:17 AM
#161
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Personally I say go ahead and vote this TA in then you can afford a few more Amazon bag tags. You say your the chosen airline for Amazon, look again. Atlas will have 20 aircraft flying for them and ATSGs contract with Amazon is only for 20 aircraft at this time. That contract is with ATSG not ATI, and as we’ve seen JH took some of that flying away from ABX and can just as easily swing back the other way if he wants it to. I don’t see in your TA any guarantees from Amazon giving you any additional flying. They could give the next batch to Kalitta or NAC if they want to. And that would leave you where? That’s right with a suck a** contract. Enjoy it.
03-11-2018 | 06:43 AM
#162
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From: B767 Capt.
Don’t flatter yourself. The decision to put all the newly acquired -300 in the ATI certificate was made internally within ATSG. It has nothing to do with AMZ, the strike, or your willingness to take whatever JH asks of your pilot group. It has more to do with the ABX pilot’s CBA scope and how restrictive it is once a tail number gets to the ABX certificate.
03-11-2018 | 07:20 AM
#163
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From: B767 Capt.
If I was ATI I would be so worried of approving this TA. Because it will make ATI more expensive than ABX and all ABX has to do is delay our contract negotiations and freeze our cost. This will guarantee us all those shiny pretty AMZ planes and those fancy AMZ name tags. Then we can go to the bank and buy a car and a house with those shiny pretty AMZ planes and name tags.
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03-11-2018 | 07:38 AM
#164
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I can remember when it was not ok in the airline industry to cross strike picket lines, as a matter of fact, it was a career killer.
Now “I8fr82hub” even has the hubris to gloat about crossing strike picket lines to endear his group to ATSG management and gain additional aircraft and flying.
Let us not forget the conference call quote from ATSG CEO:
"ATI, whose pilots are represented by ALPA, and did not support the strike, will crew all of the remaining aircraft we deploy for Amazon."
Very sad actually; I hope the airline industry as a whole can get back to marginalizing pilot groups willing to cross strike picket lines in hopes of advancing their careers.
Now “I8fr82hub” even has the hubris to gloat about crossing strike picket lines to endear his group to ATSG management and gain additional aircraft and flying.
Let us not forget the conference call quote from ATSG CEO:
"ATI, whose pilots are represented by ALPA, and did not support the strike, will crew all of the remaining aircraft we deploy for Amazon."
Very sad actually; I hope the airline industry as a whole can get back to marginalizing pilot groups willing to cross strike picket lines in hopes of advancing their careers.
03-11-2018 | 07:40 AM
#165
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From: B767 Capt.
I can remember when it was not ok in the airline industry to cross strike picket lines, as a matter of fact, it was a career killer.
Now “I8fr82hub” even has the hubris to gloat about crossing strike picket lines to endear his group to ATSG management and gain additional aircraft and flying.
Let us not forget the conference call quote from ATSG CEO:
"ATI, whose pilots are represented by ALPA, and did not support the strike, will crew all of the remaining aircraft we deploy for Amazon."
Very sad actually; I hope the airline industry as a whole can get back to marginalizing pilot groups willing to cross strike picket lines in hopes of advancing their careers.
Now “I8fr82hub” even has the hubris to gloat about crossing strike picket lines to endear his group to ATSG management and gain additional aircraft and flying.
Let us not forget the conference call quote from ATSG CEO:
"ATI, whose pilots are represented by ALPA, and did not support the strike, will crew all of the remaining aircraft we deploy for Amazon."
Very sad actually; I hope the airline industry as a whole can get back to marginalizing pilot groups willing to cross strike picket lines in hopes of advancing their careers.
03-11-2018 | 08:21 AM
#167
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one thing for sure, JH is sitting back thinking what a bunch of morons these two pilot groups, how stupid they are. they have learned nothing. I can play one off the other indefinitely as long as I keep the division between them.
and sadly I agree. a lot of very small thinkers who can't see past their own noses. a no vote would clearly start to change this but.......
and sadly I agree. a lot of very small thinkers who can't see past their own noses. a no vote would clearly start to change this but.......
03-11-2018 | 09:55 AM
#168
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Like it or not this contract is about to pass. Its understood that this will cut others off at the knee, nonetheless it will pass
The group is pretty well split at about 55:45 and not moving. Demographics are all over as well some legacy guys are violently against while some new capts are all for it.
Ive heard there have been very heated debates going on online and on the line. Fact is we are just so far behind catching up isn’t feasible numbers wise. We have to accept it that is also Alpas position judging by the last road show I attended
Our CNC tried to go back and ask for an Omni equivalent but couldn’t pull it off. Omni is just more profitable according to out CNC
The group is pretty well split at about 55:45 and not moving. Demographics are all over as well some legacy guys are violently against while some new capts are all for it.
Ive heard there have been very heated debates going on online and on the line. Fact is we are just so far behind catching up isn’t feasible numbers wise. We have to accept it that is also Alpas position judging by the last road show I attended
Our CNC tried to go back and ask for an Omni equivalent but couldn’t pull it off. Omni is just more profitable according to out CNC
Seems to me the new captains and soon to be captains have the most to gain by voting no...you can never make up tomorrow what you give away today. RLA works like a charm(for the company) when the union lets the get away without retro.
I have a hard time believing OMNI can afford more than ATSG
03-11-2018 | 10:32 AM
#169
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Good point Hack. In fact the ABX guys have a letter from ATSG promising all the -300s flown by ATSG for DHL to ABX (which JH refused to honor). So be careful believing anything that comes from JH or JV. Those letters or promises are not worth the ink they are written on.
If I was ATI I would be so worried of approving this TA. Because it will make ATI more expensive than ABX and all ABX has to do is delay our contract negotiations and freeze our cost. This will guarantee us all those shiny pretty AMZ planes and those fancy AMZ name tags. Then we can go to the bank and buy a car and a house with those shiny pretty AMZ planes and name tags.
If I was ATI I would be so worried of approving this TA. Because it will make ATI more expensive than ABX and all ABX has to do is delay our contract negotiations and freeze our cost. This will guarantee us all those shiny pretty AMZ planes and those fancy AMZ name tags. Then we can go to the bank and buy a car and a house with those shiny pretty AMZ planes and name tags.
03-11-2018 | 10:54 AM
#170
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From: B767 Capt.
Sorry, I wrote the wrong information. It wasn’t just the -300s. It was all the 767s. JH argument was that it only included the domestic 767s, which is not correct. You seem to take his side. I wonder who you are.
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