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04-10-2007 | 08:55 PM
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From: Capt: Lav Truck
What exactly is it that you think you'd be doing as a 747-400 FO at UPS? The things you listed are most definitely part of the airmanship needed for this job.
I think it tells a lot about you that you think you are so superior with your 3700 hours. If your only experience is in fighters, you have an awful lot to learn about aviation. SC-7 made an outstanding point. Evidently you are not interested.
I think filtering the applicant pool based on flying background is a far superior way of hiring than the way the other big cargo carrier does it. The UPS system leaves a lot to be desired. But at least it's based on something more fair than whether or not you have friends who work here.
Your being a fighter pilot gives you a lot of opportunities in the current job market. You get a lot of breaks that civilians don't get and I am amazed you can throw stones at UPS.
I think it tells a lot about you that you think you are so superior with your 3700 hours. If your only experience is in fighters, you have an awful lot to learn about aviation. SC-7 made an outstanding point. Evidently you are not interested.
I think filtering the applicant pool based on flying background is a far superior way of hiring than the way the other big cargo carrier does it. The UPS system leaves a lot to be desired. But at least it's based on something more fair than whether or not you have friends who work here.
Your being a fighter pilot gives you a lot of opportunities in the current job market. You get a lot of breaks that civilians don't get and I am amazed you can throw stones at UPS.
It has more to do with the particular person and how they perform a the interview and in the sim than the type of experience they have.
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04-10-2007 | 08:56 PM
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It's not a perfect system, but they have to have a way to manage the applications, I guess. It chaps my rear to see a fighter guy throwing spears. Everyone is working their tails off to get these jobs and there are literally thousands of high qualified applicants. To assume that your skills must be better than everyone else's is arrogrant IMO. Confidence is one thing, but finding humor in those that get selected is ridiculous.
04-10-2007 | 09:00 PM
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04-10-2007 | 09:02 PM
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It's not a perfect system, but they have to have a way to manage the applications, I guess. It chaps my rear to see a fighter guy throwing spears. Everyone is working their tails off to get these jobs and there are literally thousands of high qualified applicants. To assume that your skills must be better than everyone else's is arrogrant IMO. Confidence is one thing, but finding humor in those that get selected is ridiculous.
04-10-2007 | 09:10 PM
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That's cool. UPS doesn't value my opinion for anything either. All that matters is what PD and what the HR folks think. They make the rules and everyone else has to play by them. There is a lot of luck involved and obviously some of the best folks get bypassed.
04-10-2007 | 09:18 PM
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No sir, I'm not a UPS'er, I just work here.
04-10-2007 | 09:26 PM
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"Can anyone give me an accurate picture of UPS training? I mean, how cookie cutter is it?"
I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you have 10 years at a legacy, I don't think you'll have much trouble. After all, I made Captain....
I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you have 10 years at a legacy, I don't think you'll have much trouble. After all, I made Captain....
04-10-2007 | 09:29 PM
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From: Capt: Lav Truck
UPS training is mostly good, mostly good instructors, check airmen.. I must say the the 757/767 type was the easiest I have aquired. You have to perform to standards, but if you mess up in the sim like we all do from time to time, a good attitude goes a long way..........
04-10-2007 | 10:39 PM
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Cry me a river, Mav!! How's it feel to be treated like a second class pilot due to the type of airplane you fly? If you don't want the "privilege" of 33k your first year then why are you complaining? I'm sure Delta values your fighter time.
What is wrong with UPS going after guys with heavy, international, oceanic experience? As a tanker pilot, I've dragged you guys around the world literally. Your international/oceanic experience is mainly limited to cycling across the boom. Flying the exact same flight plan from Al Udeid to Iraq is not really intl experience. It's really no different than if it was being done over Texas. How many approaches to mins have you done in Asia, Europe or anywhere? How many times have you gone from meters to feet and QFH/QFE etc. on the same approach? It's not the hardest thing in the world and I am sure you could do it but the fact remains you lack that experience. It sucked being in the USAF with it being run by fighter pilots that knew little about Strat Air or Air Refueling. It's ironic you are having the same type of complaint now.
At UPS the MD-11 and 747-400s at ANC will be going very junior. There will likely be 3d or 4th year captains up there soon. Some of these guys, like me, will be coming off of the 727/DC-8 domestic reserve and will have only a few hundred hours of flight time at UPS. It could be disasterous if you took a new capt paired with a newhire who came from fighters and sent them around the world together. UPS is just trying to mitigate risk by hiring the best qualified folks for what the current needs are.
UPS is targeting the Atlas, Gemini, USAF heavy type experience and I don't see anything wrong with it. You chose fighters not heavies so why complain about it now?
What is wrong with UPS going after guys with heavy, international, oceanic experience? As a tanker pilot, I've dragged you guys around the world literally. Your international/oceanic experience is mainly limited to cycling across the boom. Flying the exact same flight plan from Al Udeid to Iraq is not really intl experience. It's really no different than if it was being done over Texas. How many approaches to mins have you done in Asia, Europe or anywhere? How many times have you gone from meters to feet and QFH/QFE etc. on the same approach? It's not the hardest thing in the world and I am sure you could do it but the fact remains you lack that experience. It sucked being in the USAF with it being run by fighter pilots that knew little about Strat Air or Air Refueling. It's ironic you are having the same type of complaint now.
At UPS the MD-11 and 747-400s at ANC will be going very junior. There will likely be 3d or 4th year captains up there soon. Some of these guys, like me, will be coming off of the 727/DC-8 domestic reserve and will have only a few hundred hours of flight time at UPS. It could be disasterous if you took a new capt paired with a newhire who came from fighters and sent them around the world together. UPS is just trying to mitigate risk by hiring the best qualified folks for what the current needs are.
UPS is targeting the Atlas, Gemini, USAF heavy type experience and I don't see anything wrong with it. You chose fighters not heavies so why complain about it now?
I guess a little irony is just lost on you?
And don't worry about me, I've got a job, and was never really serious about UPS...and I'm even less so now.
UPS has to compete for pilots in the marketplace and right now I know plenty of guys who wouldn't touch the company. This painful application system isn't helping.
It's clear from your post you have no idea of what flying fighters is like. Of course I've flown plenty of approaches to mins in both Europe and Asia, as any fighter pilot has. The last thing we need to get into is a "have you ever done x" battle, but if you think we never go anywhere without a tanker dragging us there, you've lost the bubble.
Dig your avatar...but lighten up there dude.
04-10-2007 | 10:57 PM
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From: 737 Right
Am I throwing stones at UPS? Yes; their application system is stupid.
Am I throwing stones at heavy drivers? No.
Am I wondering why you seem to be coming unglued just because I pointed out the irony of the current system? Yes.
BTW: I was plenty interested in what SC-7 said. Interested enough to answer his post without calling him names or trying to be incendiary. Far better treatment than you gave me.
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