For those that want to present a new resume or themselves, there is an OBAP sponsored job fair next week in Vegas. See you there.

 

I'm probably one of a *very* few people with that unusual set of qualifications. I wonder, does UPS know it's excluding people like me, and do they intend to do that?

The answer is Yes - they know it and for now they have no plans of changing those rules. My friend is a Gemini MD11 FO who went to a job fair to talk to the UPS HR. He only had 850 hours of turbine PIC when he went to Gemini (the company he worked at was about to go belly up). Anyways, he was told that even though they do like his experience and the MD11 type, they will not waive the 1,000 turbine pic requirement.

He is trying to get a part time job flying a Kingair to come up to the 1K pic required. Talking to anyone at the HR won’t help you, once they create a “rule” they do not like to “bend” it.


I would think this new transoceanic experience requirement will be temporary. They are panicking over brand new MD11 captains in ANC flying with new hires who maybe never flew outside the US. I think it’s just a knee-jerk reaction and hopefully soon they’ll change that requirement.

Then again, it is their show so they can have whatever requirements they want.

At least no one is required to buy a B757/767 type rating at Higher Power (it’s a joke folks, I have nothin’ against swa guys/gals) Btw, I know that nowadays you do not need a type until your class starts, still SWA is doing it - because it's their show....

 

Jerry,

I agree that UPS and FEDEX can tailor the hiring practices anyway they want. UPS just changed theirs to get someone with more intl experience...fine. But why say that's a better way??? I have to say I would rather fly with someone who is rec. by one of our pilots than some unknown...

To each his own.......

 

I think what bothers a lot of people is the fact that they cannot input, or update their application in the system whenever they would like. I personally would rather pay a fee like in the FedEX application system and input and update my application all the time so that when my numbers are good I'm just waiting for the call.

 

Yes, count me in as one of the frustrated ones. I have the Intl. experience but since I have a Jan 2007 app "on file" I can't do anything now. Even if I use a different email address, once I type in my SSN, it just takes me back to the page showing my old app. I don't understand how their application system could be so unfriendly and frankly, terrible.

 

1S1E,
join the club. I have over 11000 hours, 6000 in transports, including 2000 in the 757,767, and 777 crossing the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans. I still can't apply. I have < 1000 turbine pic! Oh well, it's their airline. They can require what they want.

 

So any guesses when they will start looking at the new aplications to send out out the assesment?

1S1E there are plenty of guys that will leave another civilian company to go to UPS for $33k. $33k is first year pay only your year 2 pay will out pace most of the legacy carriers at the 8 year point. It is a short term pain long term gain equation.

 

Just remember that this is the "new" minimum requirements for hiring. You still have to survive being picked out from the hundreds - possibly thousands of submitted resumes/applications and also make it through the interview process.

With the look of it basically UPS is initially going to be raiding the ACMI operators. I am sure that there at least a couple hundred people working at these type operators that are "qualified". Think Omni, Gemini, World, ATA, Centurion, Arrow, ATI, North American, Polar, Atlas, Focus, Southern, Cargo 360, Kalitta, Tradewinds, etc., to say nothing of NCA, Cathay, Air Atlanta, Korean, Emirates, and all the foreign operators which hire a substantial amount of Americans.

That still means that you will have to be VERY competitive.

On the flip side this means that there will also be a bunch of openings at all the operators that continually struggle with high attrition rates.

 

For 1S1E and the rest of you Airline wannabees
...........A little education in history. It wasn't so long ago that first year pay at all the Majors was in the teens. My first year pay at my 1st major was $1500 / month. My first year pay at my 2nd major was $900/month. Even adjusting for inflation, 33,000 (2750/month) is quite a bit better.

But back then Airline pay in years 2-5 still sucked even worse than today. (The infamous B scale years) Nobody made 70K in their 2nd year! It wasn't until year 6 at most places that the decent pay started coming in. It was hard for a Miltary Capt 0-3 or Jr Maj 0-4 coming off Active duty to swallow that pay unless he had a nice nest egg or could supplement income with a reserve job. We all did it! Many of us started over 2 or three times on that very low pay. The Continental Strike, Texas Air and the likes Lorenzo and Ichan. The fall of Eastern and Pan Am.

Even with the pay cuts everyone has taken......years 1-5 pay are still better today than they were 15 years ago. It is just that currently the outlook isn't as rosy.
Back then most folks did not want to work for UPS or FedEx if they had an offer from Delta, American or United..............(my self included)

Things change............and they will continue to change. There will probably be some more consilidation in the industry, maybe an airline will fail like Eastern or Pan Am. I think Things will get better in the coming years...............barring another terrorist attack on US soil or God forbid Iran gives out Nuke Technology and some islamic radical group and they pop one off in the Mid East or Europe................Then it really won't matter who you work for. Unles you are still gainfully employed on active duty, then you will have plenty of work.

The short of it is, the Airlines are coming out of the worst bottom cycle in recent history. There are always bottom cycles approx every 10 years but this has been the worst.

But All the Majors have now slashed their costs and when they all emerge from Bankruptcy, they will do so lean and mean.

No offense to G-man and his wonderful company, but when Delta has a cost structure that is on Par with Jet Blue but a world wide network, Delta will prevail, as will UAL ,NWA Airways and CAL, albeit under a different name possbilby.

The 5-6 year Capt upgrades at a Legacy are probably a thing of the past for the short term, but they weren't the industry norm anyway. The Post deregualtion years caused explosive growth in the 80's , but 5-6 year upgrades were never the expected norm in Airline employment. Prior to 1980 it was generally accepted that 15 years to a narrow body CAPT was the norm.

Companies like SWA and FedEx have managed to keep it at around 5-6 years but that can't and won't continue forever either. Now that SWA has he highest paid NB pilots in the industry, it will be interesting to see if they can keep it...........and I certainly hope they can, as I do for FedEx.
I have always thought in the back of my mind....."I don't want to work for the highest paid company, I want to work for the 2nd highest paid company"

And as far as the hiring requirements for UPS , FedEx or anyone else goes, they will change too as the Pilot Job market changes. When everyone is hiring, the requirements will drop. When only 1 or 2 carriers are hiring, the requirements go up......Don't take it personal. If you really want an Airline Job, apply to everyone get an offer and then decide. Hopefully in the coming year you will have a couple offers or more. Good luck, but if you really want it, I don't think you'll need it.

 

This is one of the best post i've read in a long time. but since the majority of people on here are young pilots not X military pilots, pay particular attention to the part about the ANC base. My contacts at UPS say exactly that.

As far as is the experience important? You can learn NAT tracks from a book, and every private pilot can give a postition report. So IMHO the answer is not really, but if you were UPS and you found a few guys that had this experience, you'd hire them first too. It is true, I'm just a lowly RJ captain, but my girlfriend lives in Hawaii and I've been on the jumpseat to Hawaii many times. The only difference between a glass cockpit oceanic and ATL to Cozumel is that you get to finish your USA today!

Stick