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Old 08-27-2019, 03:15 PM
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It wouldn’t work for the furloughed either at least not with the current pay scale structure. A 20 year candidate would be a hard sell over a 5 year one. They would effectively be unhireable.
Works for the steelworkers union. Company has no control of who the union sends. They budget for the most expensive, pocket the savings when it’s more junior.
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Old 08-27-2019, 03:30 PM
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Works for the steelworkers union. Company has no control of who the union sends. They budget for the most expensive, pocket the savings when it’s more junior.
As a person that comes from a line of steelworkers that goes back nearly 150 years I can tell you that is or was absolutely not true. When they closed my father-in laws mill and the mills that my other family members worked in they were told thanks for the memories, goodbye. A close family friend was 10 days from retirement benefits and was left on the curb. Now, this all happened in the 80's and it is possible that things have changed but my little home town lost 10,000 steel jobs in a four year period and not one of those men was offered a job anywhere else. Western PA, Eastern OH and NE West Virginia have never recovered.

As for when the mills were open your statement is correct. But when it came to closings there was nothing that seniority could do to save your job. Even though the companies had mills in other states no jobs were offered to USW workers.
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Old 08-28-2019, 02:32 AM
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Missed the part about the fence did ya? That wasn’t in any prior plan that I’m aware of. You make it the new standard for anybody hired after a certain date. Once all of us are gone and retired the industry will be better with the single list. Seniority in the industry rather than just seniority at the company becomes the new currency

It’s a pipe dream though because not enough people would fight for it.
So it’s set up tomorrow. In ten years a regional goes under. A captain there gets to come to Kalitta and jump into the left seat of a 747 (or whatever we’re flying then), and proceed on his/her happy way doing wide body international ops? Because you know, he has the seniority and one pilot is no different from another. Yeah. I don’t think so.
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Old 08-28-2019, 07:11 AM
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So it’s set up tomorrow. In ten years a regional goes under. A captain there gets to come to Kalitta and jump into the left seat of a 747 (or whatever we’re flying then), and proceed on his/her happy way doing wide body international ops? Because you know, he has the seniority and one pilot is no different from another. Yeah. I don’t think so.
As I said before, a single master seniority list would require the union to provide all the training, type ratings, etc. Airlines would have to let go of their own training departments, and control. Airlines would make a request to the union to have pilots sent over. Pilots could hop shops seamlessly. This is a Marxist pipedream that would end up ****ing everyone off. Could you imagine being a Kalitta FO one week, and a Delta CA the next week, then the following week you are flying for Mesa because you want to visit friends in different parts of the world?
Yeh, only commies high on dope would think this was a good idea.
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As I said before, a single master seniority list would require the union to provide all the training, type ratings, etc. Airlines would have to let go of their own training departments, and control. Airlines would make a request to the union to have pilots sent over. Pilots could hop shops seamlessly. This is a Marxist pipedream that would end up ****ing everyone off. Could you imagine being a Kalitta FO one week, and a Delta CA the next week, then the following week you are flying for Mesa because you want to visit friends in different parts of the world?
Yeh, only commies high on dope would think this was a good idea.
I’m pretty sure Carl Marx never touched on the subject of national workers seniority lists. He did pioneer the concept of unions and workers rights though...
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:19 AM
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As I said before, a single master seniority list would require the union to provide all the training, type ratings, etc. Airlines would have to let go of their own training departments, and control. Airlines would make a request to the union to have pilots sent over. Pilots could hop shops seamlessly. This is a Marxist pipedream that would end up ****ing everyone off. Could you imagine being a Kalitta FO one week, and a Delta CA the next week, then the following week you are flying for Mesa because you want to visit friends in different parts of the world?
Yeh, only commies high on dope would think this was a good idea.
You mean a single way to fly the plane, instead of different flows, callours, and procedures at every different airline? Heaven forbid.

Obviously there would need to be groupings and seat locks. You pick where you go, and can only use a seniority transfer under agreed upon conditions... furlough, base closure, unresolved section six beyond x years...
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Old 08-28-2019, 12:46 PM
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You mean a single way to fly the plane, instead of different flows, callours, and procedures at every different airline? Heaven forbid.

Obviously there would need to be groupings and seat locks. You pick where you go, and can only use a seniority transfer under agreed upon conditions... furlough, base closure, unresolved section six beyond x years...
It would be such a massive shift for EVERYONE that it'll never happen.
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Old 08-28-2019, 03:14 PM
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Does any other airline send an email to all of its pilots that live in Florida about coming home early to get ready for a hurricane? Over 90 pilots currently out flying that are affected.
Just another reason that I don't have apps out anywhere else.
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Old 08-28-2019, 05:46 PM
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Leave for a hurricane or potential natural disaster is covered under a letter of agreement at Brown (and I’m sure at every other major carrier).. nothing special to K4 dude
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It would be such a massive shift for EVERYONE that it'll never happen.
Now that I don’t disagree with....
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