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Old 12-28-2018, 04:56 AM   #21  
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Thanks, was gonna say that too...isnít Omni upgrading at 2 years just like K4?


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We are at around 2.5 years upgrade at the moment. It may go lower we have two 767 coming on line in the next year and half these plane are planes orderd pre ATSG purchase. And we will just wait and see what else may happen.
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Old 12-28-2018, 05:05 AM   #22  
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Omni is now part of the newly minted Hete/DHL/Amazon triangle of oblivion. Anything can happen, nobody knows. From my experience, whatever happens will be a complete surprise, and not make any sense to pilots. If you are young and considering any ATSG carrier as a career destination you are probably making a big mistake.
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Old 12-28-2018, 06:49 AM   #23  
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As a guy looking at the regionals or Cargo to start off with, what would be biggest considerations you'd be looking at?

I'm at 1820 hrs TT, with the rest of my times at ATP minimums

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Old 12-28-2018, 07:09 AM   #24  
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Regionals with a flow through to a mainline pax carrier....stay away from ACMI. Cargo at Fedex or UPS when you have the qualifications is a whole different world than ACMI....you have a real future with unequaled benifits
pay and retirement.
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Old 12-28-2018, 07:52 AM   #25  
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I don't see the FO position on their jobs page. Is there a secret link somewhere? Maybe the hiring window isn't open yet?
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Old 12-28-2018, 08:30 AM   #26  
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I don't see the FO position on their jobs page. Is there a secret link somewhere? Maybe the hiring window isn't open yet?
They are doing you a favor.
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Old 12-28-2018, 10:57 AM   #27  
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We are at around 2.5 years upgrade at the moment. It may go lower we have two 767 coming on line in the next year and half these plane are planes orderd pre ATSG purchase. And we will just wait and see what else may happen.
Good point! I've got Omni, Kalitta and ATI all as places that have been pretty good to be at for last 3 years along.

Another good point, who knows what happens tomorrow, the music could stop for sure. This is a mix of CA wages (for places with shorter upgrade times) and FO wages (for longer) just to see what someone hired three years ago might be looking at in terms of comp.
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Regionals with a flow through to a mainline pax carrier....stay away from ACMI. Cargo at Fedex or UPS when you have the qualifications is a whole different world than ACMI....you have a real future with unequaled benifits
pay and retirement.
This really is changing....
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Good point! I've got Omni, Kalitta and ATI all as places that have been pretty good to be at for last 3 years along.

Another good point, who knows what happens tomorrow, the music could stop for sure. This is a mix of CA wages (for places with shorter upgrade times) and FO wages (for longer) just to see what someone hired three years ago might be looking at in terms of comp.
K4, Omni, ATI, then Western Global.
Atlas/Southern will be good once they get a new CBA. Itís toxic there now, but that will change very fast once they get an agreement. With the massive legacy hiring about to really jack up, I donít think it will be the two years folks are estimating. Iíd bet on a TA by the end of next fall.
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Assuming you will be in the left seat in 3 years time at any ACMI carrier is an enormous assumption. There are 20+ year FOs at ABX that were given that same BS, although ABX was not an ACMI carrier at that time. They were an integrated carrier soon to be dropped into the ACMI toilet by the DHL debacle. If Amazon puts a disproportionate share of their eggs in that ATI basket it would it would be a 180 degree turn from their contractor business model. If you choose to go to ATI you might want to have a viable exit strategy.
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