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Old 12-27-2018, 06:07 AM   #11  
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I think he was attempting to make a dig at ABX pilots, but yeah... Now you see what we're up against
Why is that a dig to just ABX. Is it not true with most carriers? If you come to K4 today, you will more than likely not upgrade in 24 months.
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Old 12-27-2018, 07:56 AM   #12  
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You don't think they are telling everyone that? Let the whipsaw begin...
Why would you think Amazon would want to give these planes to ABX? It was demonstrated that ABX pilots have no problem with disrupting service and causing the most harm to our customer.
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Old 12-27-2018, 08:19 AM   #13  
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Why would you think Amazon would want to give these planes to ABX? It was demonstrated that ABX pilots have no problem with disrupting service and causing the most harm to our customer.
Touch a nerve did I...
Just repeating what I have heard...
Also they pattern themselves after DHL which moves aircraft from one airline to the other monthly...
Convince yourself ATI is the chosen ones...the next lowball contract you will see aircraft moved like chess pieces....OMNI will get the next ones
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Old 12-27-2018, 06:06 PM   #14  
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Did you really just admit that ATI’s captain pay is “competitive” with being a first officer elsewhere?
My point was that in addition to pay, progression is valuable, and so despite how "crappy" the ATI contract is, if you are starting out, it's not a terrible spot to be in after three years. You also pick up more PIC time if you can get an early upgrade - if UPS or Fedex is a goal (it should be) that's another benefit.

Some rough #'s at 3 years assuming folks make it to CA with ATI (an if).

ATI (CA) - $190/hr

Omni - $140/hr
Kalitta (CA) - $211/hr (another place with good upgrades - nice!)
UPS - $180/hr
Fedex - $180/hr

ABX - $110/hr
Southern - $90/hr !
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Old 12-27-2018, 06:37 PM   #15  
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My point was that in addition to pay, progression is valuable, and so despite how "crappy" the ATI contract is, if you are starting out, it's not a terrible spot to be in after three years. You also pick up more PIC time if you can get an early upgrade - if UPS or Fedex is a goal (it should be) that's another benefit.

Some rough #'s at 3 years assuming folks make it to CA with ATI (an if).

ATI (CA) - $190/hr

Omni - $140/hr
Kalitta (CA) - $211/hr (another place with good upgrades - nice!)
UPS - $180/hr
Fedex - $180/hr

ABX - $110/hr
Southern - $90/hr !
You should have your numbers straight Omni 3 year CA is 203. In April it goes to 211, and it goes up every april for the next 2 years after that I have no idea where you came up with 140 an hour!
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Old 12-27-2018, 07:37 PM   #16  
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My point was that in addition to pay, progression is valuable, and so despite how "crappy" the ATI contract is, if you are starting out, it's not a terrible spot to be in after three years. You also pick up more PIC time if you can get an early upgrade - if UPS or Fedex is a goal (it should be) that's another benefit.
And my point is that itís stupid to make plans based on when you hope that youíll be upgrading. The music could absolutely stop for all of us tomorrow. The only thing that, as a new hire, you should expect to make in 3 years is 3 year FO pay.
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Old 12-27-2018, 07:42 PM   #17  
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My point was that in addition to pay, progression is valuable, and so despite how "crappy" the ATI contract is, if you are starting out, it's not a terrible spot to be in after three years. You also pick up more PIC time if you can get an early upgrade - if UPS or Fedex is a goal (it should be) that's another benefit.

Some rough #'s at 3 years assuming folks make it to CA with ATI (an if).

ATI (CA) - $190/hr

Omni - $140/hr
Kalitta (CA) - $211/hr (another place with good upgrades - nice!)
UPS - $180/hr
Fedex - $180/hr

ABX - $110/hr
Southern - $90/hr !
Not sure if youíre looking at CA or FO rates or a mix of both, but some numbers are incorrect.
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Old 12-28-2018, 03:45 AM   #18  
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You should have your numbers straight Omni 3 year CA is 203. In April it goes to 211, and it goes up every april for the next 2 years after that I have no idea where you came up with 140 an hour!


Thanks, was gonna say that too...isnít Omni upgrading at 2 years just like K4?


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Old 12-28-2018, 03:49 AM   #19  
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During Recent line check the CA claimed were hiring 1-2 classes a month through 2019.



Just FYI to newbs looking to bypass the regionals and fly 767ís


How many are going to be in these classes? You know we are wanting to do 1 class a month with 40 guys in each class. Think about it.


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Old 12-28-2018, 04:27 AM   #20  
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My point was that in addition to pay, progression is valuable, and so despite how "crappy" the ATI contract is, if you are starting out, it's not a terrible spot to be in after three years. You also pick up more PIC time if you can get an early upgrade - if UPS or Fedex is a goal (it should be) that's another benefit.

Some rough #'s at 3 years assuming folks make it to CA with ATI (an if).

ATI (CA) - $190/hr

Omni - $140/hr
Kalitta (CA) - $211/hr (another place with good upgrades - nice!)
UPS - $180/hr
Fedex - $180/hr

ABX - $110/hr
Southern - $90/hr !
If hired today a 3rd year 767 FedEx FO would be paid $191 an hour and a 3rd year 757 Captain (upgrades at 2 currently) would be $261 an hour. Thatís the final year of the current contract as well, so hopefully those numbers go way up.
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