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Old 03-03-2020 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ULLI
With seniority you will get more days off at a scheduled 121 (legacy, major, lcc/ulcc) while making more money. Not sure if omni or k4 you can work less days while getting a bigger paycheck, since everyone owes the company X amount of days per month.
K4 has 12 day schedules on the 767. It doesn't come with more money, though.....same guarantee.
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Old 03-03-2020 | 04:58 PM
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Omni doesn't have any shortened schedules that I've seen, but with creative bidding, you can get the number of days actually worked down substantially at the moment. This could obviously change depending on how busy we get. You're unlikely to break guarantee in any case, unless you bid for special programs, but in that case I'm told you will definitely work your full number of days.
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Old 03-04-2020 | 04:22 AM
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Here's the bottom line, there are plenty of happy people at Kalitta, Omni, Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, and South West. Many of these happy people are happy to call these places their career destination.
Follow your gut feeling, may it lead you to the right choice. Cargo is not for everyone, just as passenger is not for everyone. 16 days away from home is not for everyone, just as multiple short trips a month isn't for everyone.
And finally, your choices will be narrowed by who offers an interview, let alone a class date. Good luck.
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Old 03-04-2020 | 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ImmaAHole
Here's the bottom line, there are plenty of happy people at Kalitta, Omni, Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, and South West. Many of these happy people are happy to call these places their career destination.
Follow your gut feeling, may it lead you to the right choice. Cargo is not for everyone, just as passenger is not for everyone. 16 days away from home is not for everyone, just as multiple short trips a month isn't for everyone.
And finally, your choices will be narrowed by who offers an interview, let alone a class date. Good luck.
winner winner chicken dinner !!
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Old 03-04-2020 | 08:59 AM
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I hate to be a broken record, but take it from a guy who's been in the ACMI segment for 10 years:

Don't get comfy. ACMI is volatile, and the best companies could be tomorrow's worst companies (Atlas!), and the worst companies could become some of the best (Kalitta, Omni). And, that could very well flip-flop again.

This is the regional airlines with widebody jets; we operate for a variety of customers, and we're always competing with each other for various contracts. The pay, QOL, retirement, and work rules for any of the ACMIs are not currently up to par with the major airline segment, though we're in the fight for our careers in order to make it so over at Atlas. Time will tell how successful we are.

If you are competitive for a legacy or LCC: Your career earnings, retirement, and progression will be much better. Please don't limit yourself. I'm looking to get out as an 8th year 767 CA over at Atlas (was at Omni prior to this); my family deserves something better than this ACMI business. So does yours.
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Old 03-04-2020 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
I hate to be a broken record, but take it from a guy who's been in the ACMI segment for 10 years:

Don't get comfy. ACMI is volatile, and the best companies could be tomorrow's worst companies (Atlas!), and the worst companies could become some of the best (Kalitta, Omni). And, that could very well flip-flop again.

This is the regional airlines with widebody jets; we operate for a variety of customers, and we're always competing with each other for various contracts. The pay, QOL, retirement, and work rules for any of the ACMIs are not currently up to par with the major airline segment, though we're in the fight for our careers in order to make it so over at Atlas. Time will tell how successful we are.

If you are competitive for a legacy or LCC: Your career earnings, retirement, and progression will be much better. Please don't limit yourself. I'm looking to get out as an 8th year 767 CA over at Atlas (was at Omni prior to this); my family deserves something better than this ACMI business. So does yours.
I went to a job fair about 8 years ago, everyone who was there was waiting to talk to the recruiters for Atlas or Spirit. I waited almost 3 hrs in line for Spirit, and once I got done. The line for Atlas was 4+ hrs long which was much longer than Spirit. Fast forward to today, where we have Atlas CA in new hire class at Spirit. You just never know.
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Old 03-04-2020 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
I hate to be a broken record, but take it from a guy who's been in the ACMI segment for 10 years:

Don't get comfy. ACMI is volatile, and the best companies could be tomorrow's worst companies (Atlas!), and the worst companies could become some of the best (Kalitta, Omni). And, that could very well flip-flop again.

This is the regional airlines with widebody jets; we operate for a variety of customers, and we're always competing with each other for various contracts. The pay, QOL, retirement, and work rules for any of the ACMIs are not currently up to par with the major airline segment, though we're in the fight for our careers in order to make it so over at Atlas. Time will tell how successful we are.

If you are competitive for a legacy or LCC: Your career earnings, retirement, and progression will be much better. Please don't limit yourself. I'm looking to get out as an 8th year 767 CA over at Atlas (was at Omni prior to this); my family deserves something better than this ACMI business. So does yours.
it’s amazing what a new contract and a pilot shortage can do. Spirit & Frontier were stepping stone jobs, not destinations not too long ago; so were Kalitta, ATI & Omni. Lots of folks got stuck due to the lost decade.
You absolutely can not judge the current market condition based upon the lost decade. Yes, you and I lived through the period of zero legacy hiring and LCC jobs that weren’t much better than regionals. Then add in the pilot shortage which will run another ten years and the picture is vastly different for newer pilots.
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Old 03-04-2020 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP
I hate to be a broken record, but take it from a guy who's been in the ACMI segment for 10 years:

Don't get comfy. ACMI is volatile, and the best companies could be tomorrow's worst companies (Atlas!), and the worst companies could become some of the best (Kalitta, Omni). And, that could very well flip-flop again.

This is the regional airlines with widebody jets; we operate for a variety of customers, and we're always competing with each other for various contracts. The pay, QOL, retirement, and work rules for any of the ACMIs are not currently up to par with the major airline segment, though we're in the fight for our careers in order to make it so over at Atlas. Time will tell how successful we are.

If you are competitive for a legacy or LCC: Your career earnings, retirement, and progression will be much better. Please don't limit yourself. I'm looking to get out as an 8th year 767 CA over at Atlas (was at Omni prior to this); my family deserves something better than this ACMI business. So does yours.
100% .....skip ACMI!!!
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Old 03-04-2020 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
100% .....skip Atlas!!!
Fixed it for you.
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Old 03-05-2020 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ImmaAHole
Fixed it for you.
No...skip ACMI. All one contract from furlough or bankruptcy. Look at the carriers depending on all the Afganistan military charters now that the supposed Taliban treaty was signed.
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