ULCC vs ACMI
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it’s amazing what a new contract and a pilot shortage can do. Spirit & Frontier were stepping stone jobs, not destinations not too long ago; so were Kalitta, ATI & Omni. Lots of folks got stuck due to the lost decade.
You absolutely can not judge the current market condition based upon the lost decade. Yes, you and I lived through the period of zero legacy hiring and LCC jobs that weren’t much better than regionals. Then add in the pilot shortage which will run another ten years and the picture is vastly different for newer pilots.
You absolutely can not judge the current market condition based upon the lost decade. Yes, you and I lived through the period of zero legacy hiring and LCC jobs that weren’t much better than regionals. Then add in the pilot shortage which will run another ten years and the picture is vastly different for newer pilots.
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This is the wrong audience for your message. All of us in the land of misfit pilots found our way to ACMI for a host of reasons. Many of us would be at an LCC if we actually wanted to fly passengers in a hub and spoke system. Some of us are paid enough to not have money as the #1 priority either.(#2)
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This is the wrong audience for your message. All of us in the land of misfit pilots found our way to ACMI for a host of reasons. Many of us would be at an LCC if we actually wanted to fly passengers in a hub and spoke system. Some of us are paid enough to not have money as the #1 priority either.(#2)
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This is the wrong audience for your message. All of us in the land of misfit pilots found our way to ACMI for a host of reasons. Many of us would be at an LCC if we actually wanted to fly passengers in a hub and spoke system. Some of us are paid enough to not have money as the #1 priority either.(#2)
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While many thread respondents are confirmed ACMI lifers, OP is a regional pilot at a crossroad trying to decide whether ACMI or ULCC would be a best for getting him/her to Big 6 airline. Also likely determining which would be best to hang their hat for protracted stay should dream airline offer not pan out. The fact that a present ACMI pilot is looking to get out of ACMI orbit, while no ULCC pilot has come on this thread (yet) expressing a desire to join ACMI outfit shows that posts like nfd's has some merit.
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^This.
I'd add that I hope very much not to be an ACMI lifer, for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. That said, I'd similarly not want to be an LCC lifer...for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. All of this "my Dad could beat up your Dad" stuff belongs on the playground.
I'd add that I hope very much not to be an ACMI lifer, for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. That said, I'd similarly not want to be an LCC lifer...for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. All of this "my Dad could beat up your Dad" stuff belongs on the playground.
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^This.
I'd add that I hope very much not to be an ACMI lifer, for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. That said, I'd similarly not want to be an LCC lifer...for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. All of this "my Dad could beat up your Dad" stuff belongs on the playground.
I'd add that I hope very much not to be an ACMI lifer, for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. That said, I'd similarly not want to be an LCC lifer...for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. All of this "my Dad could beat up your Dad" stuff belongs on the playground.
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It's worth noting that even at Delta, you still work for your money, been told that management has become efficient. I completely agree with the above, each has their advantages and disadvantages. People should not care what others think and simply pick a path that makes them the happiest.
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^This.
I'd add that I hope very much not to be an ACMI lifer, for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. That said, I'd similarly not want to be an LCC lifer...for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. All of this "my Dad could beat up your Dad" stuff belongs on the playground.
I'd add that I hope very much not to be an ACMI lifer, for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. That said, I'd similarly not want to be an LCC lifer...for all of the reasons outlined in this thread. All of this "my Dad could beat up your Dad" stuff belongs on the playground.
I have yet to meet one person at my LCC who doesn’t want stay for life with the money being made / qol and work rules. I enjoyed the experience (ACMI) but wouldn’t want to do it for life. We had several ACMI guys in my class a few years ago. How many spirit / frontier / JetBlue guys go to omni or Kalitta ?
not saying i wouldn’t enjoy staying at ACMI and having a good life there too but at least to me it’s not a comparison.
Me: I like my Starbucks at the terminal, I don’t mind people (actually enjoy it ) like interacting with my FAs, enjoy flying new planes and mostly very easy 1/2/3/4 day trips. by day 3 I’m ready to go home. Add to that the money, DC and work rules and I am very happy.
that being said I took a lot of pride in flying a wide body and the adventure was far greater than what I do now. Ultimately for me it’s happiness and not wanting to be chronically fatigued all the time. Qol health and happiness is the only thing that matters.
that said it always makes me cringe when posts come over as “I have it better than you..” so in closing I would definitely say if you have a good job that pays well and you enjoy your life then who cares ?
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I have yet to meet one person at my LCC who doesn’t want stay for life with the money being made / qol and work rules. I enjoyed the experience (ACMI) but wouldn’t want to do it for life. We had several ACMI guys in my class a few years ago. How many spirit / frontier / JetBlue guys go to omni or Kalitta ?
not saying i wouldn’t enjoy staying at ACMI and having a good life there too but at least to me it’s not a comparison.
Me: I like my Starbucks at the terminal, I don’t mind people (actually enjoy it ) like interacting with my FAs, enjoy flying new planes and mostly very easy 1/2/3/4 day trips. by day 3 I’m ready to go home. Add to that the money, DC and work rules and I am very happy.
that being said I took a lot of pride in flying a wide body and the adventure was far greater than what I do now. Ultimately for me it’s happiness and not wanting to be chronically fatigued all the time. Qol health and happiness is the only thing that matters.
that said it always makes me cringe when posts come over as “I have it better than you..” so in closing I would definitely say if you have a good job that pays well and you enjoy your life then who cares ?
not saying i wouldn’t enjoy staying at ACMI and having a good life there too but at least to me it’s not a comparison.
Me: I like my Starbucks at the terminal, I don’t mind people (actually enjoy it ) like interacting with my FAs, enjoy flying new planes and mostly very easy 1/2/3/4 day trips. by day 3 I’m ready to go home. Add to that the money, DC and work rules and I am very happy.
that being said I took a lot of pride in flying a wide body and the adventure was far greater than what I do now. Ultimately for me it’s happiness and not wanting to be chronically fatigued all the time. Qol health and happiness is the only thing that matters.
that said it always makes me cringe when posts come over as “I have it better than you..” so in closing I would definitely say if you have a good job that pays well and you enjoy your life then who cares ?
In the ACMI world you have a lot of guys from the military who are constantly being told by their military friends to come on over to the pax world at XYZ. It is not realy surprising to me why that is.
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