Fdx Mec Rep Recall
06-19-2007, 07:24 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Nashmd11
Yogi Bear- I think everyone wanting th age 60 rule to change is trying to put out the perception that its a done deal. Hoping people will just accept it and be quiet.
This rule is not a Slam dunk! Have you ever heard of the NPRM? Even Blakley said we will listen to everyone during the NPRM. And if the Silent Majority gets Vocal, this rule will die. Especially when the AMR, APA, NWA and the 70% of all other 121 pilots say go pack sand ICAO.
I can see why all you old farts are trying to spin it this way, hoping everyone has Apathy.
This rule is not a Slam dunk! Have you ever heard of the NPRM? Even Blakley said we will listen to everyone during the NPRM. And if the Silent Majority gets Vocal, this rule will die. Especially when the AMR, APA, NWA and the 70% of all other 121 pilots say go pack sand ICAO.
I can see why all you old farts are trying to spin it this way, hoping everyone has Apathy.
However, this "we know better than you" MEC has pulled this move on other issues.
1. Scope payments- The MEC dropped them into an account (vice returning them to the pilots) because they had a "better" use for them. They used the money to pay for something the company should be paying for anyway... I was last told it was a negotiating tactic????? Why not ask the pilots what they want to do with it or suggest a use and get their approval.
2. Contract- Besides being a piece of c**p, the union couldn't video the roadshow and send it out to the masses who DON'T live in MEM??? Then DW sends out his "red letter" on why we shouldn't vote this contract down. I guess line pilots aren't smart enough to make up our own minds. maybe we're just lemmings
. It's time for the all knowing/seeing MEC and officers to go. I'm tired of hearing them hide behind comments like "fiduciary responsibility" and the pilots best "interests".
06-19-2007, 08:12 AM
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Age 60 is a done deal just as the Immigration Bill is a done deal. The Immigration Bill had far more support than Age 60, and they're back to the drawing board to try to drum up more support. I also heard that the AOPA is fighting the FAA authorization bill since it has user fees included. Funny how they won't get told by a congressman that "unless you change you position, we won't talk to you..."
I think that Prater spun that whole thing about congress not talking to us unless we changed our position. I worked in DC for a while and NEVER heard a congressman say that he/she won't talk unless you change. That's not the way it works up there. I'd like to see one memo that a senator/congressman wrote even suggesting that they wouldn't talk unless ALPA changed positions. Of course they'll say, well they don't write memos it was all verbal. The fast track only started when Prater took office, I'll bet that he told those Sen/Reps "you don't worry about ALPA, I'll get a change."
Prater said we need to Take it Back, I agree we just need to take back our own union first.
I think that Prater spun that whole thing about congress not talking to us unless we changed our position. I worked in DC for a while and NEVER heard a congressman say that he/she won't talk unless you change. That's not the way it works up there. I'd like to see one memo that a senator/congressman wrote even suggesting that they wouldn't talk unless ALPA changed positions. Of course they'll say, well they don't write memos it was all verbal. The fast track only started when Prater took office, I'll bet that he told those Sen/Reps "you don't worry about ALPA, I'll get a change."
Prater said we need to Take it Back, I agree we just need to take back our own union first.
06-19-2007, 09:01 AM
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Come on guys, FH and the APAAD boys, not to mention our MEC, said this would all be wrapped up by Memorial Day. Of this year.
Its in the bag, just a matter of time.
Thanks ALPA National EB and FedEx MEC, for selling us out for this "done deal".
FJ
Its in the bag, just a matter of time.
Thanks ALPA National EB and FedEx MEC, for selling us out for this "done deal".
FJ
06-19-2007, 09:43 AM
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Another hub turn meeting tonight at 12:30. What new spin and damage control will we hear tonight. I'll attend just to hear the "BS". I could hope that DW would be there to announce his resignation but I doubt he'd give up the great deal he has. Maybe if no one attended they'd get the message that they have destroyed whatever unity this pilot group had.
06-19-2007, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Micro
Another hub turn meeting tonight at 12:30. What new spin and damage control will we hear tonight. I'll attend just to hear the "BS". I could hope that DW would be there to announce his resignation but I doubt he'd give up the great deal he has. Maybe if no one attended they'd get the message that they have destroyed whatever unity this pilot group had.
06-19-2007, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by FDX28
Age 60 is a done deal just as the Immigration Bill is a done deal. The Immigration Bill had far more support than Age 60, and they're back to the drawing board to try to drum up more support. I also heard that the AOPA is fighting the FAA authorization bill since it has user fees included. Funny how they won't get told by a congressman that "unless you change you position, we won't talk to you..."
I think that Prater spun that whole thing about congress not talking to us unless we changed our position. I worked in DC for a while and NEVER heard a congressman say that he/she won't talk unless you change. That's not the way it works up there. I'd like to see one memo that a senator/congressman wrote even suggesting that they wouldn't talk unless ALPA changed positions. Of course they'll say, well they don't write memos it was all verbal. The fast track only started when Prater took office, I'll bet that he told those Sen/Reps "you don't worry about ALPA, I'll get a change."
Prater said we need to Take it Back, I agree we just need to take back our own union first.
I think that Prater spun that whole thing about congress not talking to us unless we changed our position. I worked in DC for a while and NEVER heard a congressman say that he/she won't talk unless you change. That's not the way it works up there. I'd like to see one memo that a senator/congressman wrote even suggesting that they wouldn't talk unless ALPA changed positions. Of course they'll say, well they don't write memos it was all verbal. The fast track only started when Prater took office, I'll bet that he told those Sen/Reps "you don't worry about ALPA, I'll get a change."
Prater said we need to Take it Back, I agree we just need to take back our own union first.
06-19-2007, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Micro
130JDrvr, I didn't "know" that subjects couldn't be discussed just because someone just joined the forum
. But to rid the fishy smell...the site would not accept ANY new registrations for about a weeks time around the beginning of the month. And what, nobody wanted to answer you when you only had two posts. So how about your view on the subject??
The Alpa constitution makes it very hard to get rid of representatives and even harder to get rid of an officer (DW, WH, CB). But the start is getting the request for recall ballots on your LEC's agenda through your LEC Chairman in writing. Then we get to decide if their out or not. Hopefully all the "anger" I see on this forum gets directed to remove these representatives and officers.
. But to rid the fishy smell...the site would not accept ANY new registrations for about a weeks time around the beginning of the month. And what, nobody wanted to answer you when you only had two posts. So how about your view on the subject??The Alpa constitution makes it very hard to get rid of representatives and even harder to get rid of an officer (DW, WH, CB). But the start is getting the request for recall ballots on your LEC's agenda through your LEC Chairman in writing. Then we get to decide if their out or not. Hopefully all the "anger" I see on this forum gets directed to remove these representatives and officers.
It happens on here from time to time. People get a new screen name, drop a bomb and run. turns into the same old comments and arguments for days.
Welcome and give us a brief of the meeting tonight.
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06-19-2007, 02:53 PM
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130JDrvr,
Thanks for the welcome!! I'll let you all know what great wisdom DW spews tonight. Hopefully, someone else can give their view of the meeting as I have a very shaded view of the union at the moment.
Thanks for the welcome!! I'll let you all know what great wisdom DW spews tonight. Hopefully, someone else can give their view of the meeting as I have a very shaded view of the union at the moment.
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