Fdx Mec Rep Recall
06-20-2007, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Micro
You're right. Sorry if I didn't state it more clearly. $42K per year for two years = $84K. However, DW led me to believe that if you stayed longer than two years the $42K per year would continue. You're also right that it would be taxable income so Alpa would get their $$$$. Just think, you get to pay even more for *******Y representation.
Maybe we could get the dues reduced by reducing DW's compensation package.
Maybe we could get the dues reduced by reducing DW's compensation package.If it is taxable, then it is Pensonable, which means a higher factor for your High 5 formula.
06-20-2007, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
If it is taxable, then it is Pensonable, which means a higher factor for your High 5 formula.
06-20-2007, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Up to the $260K limit. Anyone know why it is not cola, besides the obvious ALPA 2%?
There aren't too many 727 Pilots (NB) making 260K, with the exception of training Dept or MGT guys on passover.
06-20-2007, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
There aren't too many 727 Pilots (NB) making 260K, with the exception of training Dept or MGT guys on passover.
06-20-2007, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
But how many pilots making the move will hit the $260K ceiling? I don't know, but I would suspect more than half of the dudes working for high five would.
My point is Like it or not the 757 is on the NB payrate. That is what this crew force ratified.
My point was that Domestic 727 Pilots (Capts) won't come close to the irs limit of 260K. Assuming the rumors from last nights Hub meeting, the CDG NB757 pilots will make about the same as a domestic WB pilot will make you factor in INTL override, INTL per diem and whatever extra they decide to pay. Will ones buying power be the same in Europe? No way, but your Pensionable Income (and High 5 formula) will be substantially higher as a Euro NB pilot that a Domestic NB pilot. That was my only point.
As for HKG, this is WB pay. They (Capts) will all hit the 260K limit for High 5.
Again will the HKG based pilot have the same buying power? That depends on many factors.
Most of us Jr to Mid WB capts don't come close to that, unless we fly carry over or a little xtra.
Now it remains to be seen who will actually bid CDG or HKG. Will a JR or Mid seniority Widebody CAPT bid it? I don't know.
Will SFS just transfer up? who knows
Will a domestic 727 CAPT or FO BID it? Maybe
Personally I won't because of several factors. Pay is only part of the equation for me, but it isn't the top priority.
06-20-2007, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
My point is Like it or not the 757 is on the NB payrate. That is what this crew force ratified.
My point was that Domestic 727 Pilots (Capts) won't come close to the irs limit of 260K. Assuming the rumors from last nights Hub meeting, the CDG NB757 pilots will make about the same as a domestic WB pilot will make you factor in INTL override, INTL per diem and whatever extra they decide to pay. Will ones buying power be the same in Europe? No way, but your Pensionable Income (and High 5 formula) will be substantially higher as a Euro NB pilot that a Domestic NB pilot. That was my only point.
As for HKG, this is WB pay. They (Capts) will all hit the 260K limit for High 5.
Again will the HKG based pilot have the same buying power? That depends on many factors.
Most of us Jr to Mid WB capts don't come close to that, unless we fly carry over or a little xtra.
Now it remains to be seen who will actually bid CDG or HKG. Will a JR or Mid seniority Widebody CAPT bid it? I don't know.
Will SFS just transfer up? who knows
Will a domestic 727 CAPT or FO BID it? Maybe
Personally I won't because of several factors. Pay is only part of the equation for me, but it isn't the top priority.
My point was that Domestic 727 Pilots (Capts) won't come close to the irs limit of 260K. Assuming the rumors from last nights Hub meeting, the CDG NB757 pilots will make about the same as a domestic WB pilot will make you factor in INTL override, INTL per diem and whatever extra they decide to pay. Will ones buying power be the same in Europe? No way, but your Pensionable Income (and High 5 formula) will be substantially higher as a Euro NB pilot that a Domestic NB pilot. That was my only point.
As for HKG, this is WB pay. They (Capts) will all hit the 260K limit for High 5.
Again will the HKG based pilot have the same buying power? That depends on many factors.
Most of us Jr to Mid WB capts don't come close to that, unless we fly carry over or a little xtra.
Now it remains to be seen who will actually bid CDG or HKG. Will a JR or Mid seniority Widebody CAPT bid it? I don't know.
Will SFS just transfer up? who knows
Will a domestic 727 CAPT or FO BID it? Maybe
Personally I won't because of several factors. Pay is only part of the equation for me, but it isn't the top priority.
That taxed $42K won't go far. Wouldn't it be better for everyone (other than the ALPA payroll) if that pay was COLA. It's not taxable, so you would get that $42K to use. You don't have to pay Uncle Sam his portion, nor does Fred have to pay Pepe Le Pew his portion of taxes on that $42K, which is a great bargaining tool - we the pilots are saving the company money, so why not make it an even $48K as the EU taxes will cost the company far more that $6K. just thoughts to consider.
Wonder if DW will say the company won't talk to us unless we change our position and only agree with what Fred says, but we'll have some input....
06-20-2007, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
My point is Like it or not the 757 is on the NB payrate. That is what this crew force ratified.
My point was that Domestic 727 Pilots (Capts) won't come close to the irs limit of 260K. Assuming the rumors from last nights Hub meeting, the CDG NB757 pilots will make about the same as a domestic WB pilot will make you factor in INTL override, INTL per diem and whatever extra they decide to pay. Will ones buying power be the same in Europe? No way, but your Pensionable Income (and High 5 formula) will be substantially higher as a Euro NB pilot that a Domestic NB pilot. That was my only point.
As for HKG, this is WB pay. They (Capts) will all hit the 260K limit for High 5.
Again will the HKG based pilot have the same buying power? That depends on many factors.
Most of us Jr to Mid WB capts don't come close to that, unless we fly carry over or a little xtra.
Now it remains to be seen who will actually bid CDG or HKG. Will a JR or Mid seniority Widebody CAPT bid it? I don't know.
Will SFS just transfer up? who knows
Will a domestic 727 CAPT or FO BID it? Maybe
Personally I won't because of several factors. Pay is only part of the equation for me, but it isn't the top priority.
My point was that Domestic 727 Pilots (Capts) won't come close to the irs limit of 260K. Assuming the rumors from last nights Hub meeting, the CDG NB757 pilots will make about the same as a domestic WB pilot will make you factor in INTL override, INTL per diem and whatever extra they decide to pay. Will ones buying power be the same in Europe? No way, but your Pensionable Income (and High 5 formula) will be substantially higher as a Euro NB pilot that a Domestic NB pilot. That was my only point.
As for HKG, this is WB pay. They (Capts) will all hit the 260K limit for High 5.
Again will the HKG based pilot have the same buying power? That depends on many factors.
Most of us Jr to Mid WB capts don't come close to that, unless we fly carry over or a little xtra.
Now it remains to be seen who will actually bid CDG or HKG. Will a JR or Mid seniority Widebody CAPT bid it? I don't know.
Will SFS just transfer up? who knows
Will a domestic 727 CAPT or FO BID it? Maybe
Personally I won't because of several factors. Pay is only part of the equation for me, but it isn't the top priority.
06-20-2007, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by FDX28
Wonder if DW will say the company won't talk to us unless we change our position and only agree with what Fred says, but we'll have some input....
Were you here when the Postal cpntract was announced?
Remember when the company wanted an LOA to fly us More days?
The Union countered with what many thought was excessive demands.
The company said Politely.....GFY and just implented new optimization and we got nothing. The Pilots all looked to the Union and said.....WTF? Why didn't you get us something?
We are kind of in the same boat here. The company wants something. They will offer us something. Pilots think "it isn't enough". Pilots say "ask for the Moon" and that would make many Pilots feel better.............until the company
does the same thing and nowwe have Pilots living in Europe and China making 36,000 less per year than they would have.............I can hear the complaints coming.......Why didn't we get soemthing??
06-20-2007, 01:44 PM
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Can you be forced to a foreign domicile?
If we were hired in MEM for a job in MEM, can we be involuntarily forced to move to a foreign country? If not then the company will NEED a LOA to make a "offer" to entice guys to move overseas. Without it, I'm not sure if they can force people to move.
06-20-2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kwri10s
If we were hired in MEM for a job in MEM, can we be involuntarily forced to move to a foreign country? If not then the company will NEED a LOA to make a "offer" to entice guys to move overseas. Without it, I'm not sure if they can force people to move.
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