The company has contracted flying out on numerous occassions. The Fedex name brand is synonymous with reliability. Therein lies the problem. Companies pay a premium for that reliability. Historically, service failures go up when our flying is outsourced. A case in point, the MD-11 recently started flying into Santiago, Chile, and Buenos Aires. The DC-10 was flying there 10 years ago. As we were in the last stages of our contract talks in '98, the threat of a strike loomed.

The company outsourced that flying for several months. After the dust settled with the signing of our first contract, we started flying the South American routes again. The problem was that Fedex had lost numerous accounts. So much in fact, that the loads dictated returning the 727 to those routes. The loads eventually necessitated the use of an F27 for Buenos Aires and belly freight on other carriers for Santiago, especially after the weakening economy of Argentina in 2001-2002. Five years later, our widebody aircraft are once again flying into EZE and SCL...almost 10 years after the DC-10 last flew there.

According to both company officials and our MEC, China and Europe are vital to us, not only in combating the competition and meeting the customers/clients needs, but also, because of the enormous growth prospects in these markets. Remember, they need us there. I agree.

 

I was relaying what DW said about the choosing of people. If we bid the FDA, our seniority list drives who goes, it is not, ok everyone who wants to go submit an application and we'll let you know...

The point I was trying to make, was that the meeting did have some good points, and I felt I could see where the NC was coming from. Do I agree with some of their points, yes, do I disagree with some points, that's a yes too. Talk with them, it makes a difference. The warm fuzzy I got from reading their emails wanted to make me find out which car was theirs so I could vandalize it.

I also said, this put me closer to the fence, not that I changed my vote. I voted no, the STV is STILL a show stopper for me. Everything else can be built upon, but our work rules, rig etc, I'm not willing to give that up.

So once again...I voted, it was no.

 

isn't it stated in the LOA?

a. A pilot shall not be inversely assigned to a temporary vacancy at CDG or
HKG more than once in any period of six times the duration of the STV
(e.g., for a temporary vacancy of 3 bid periods, a pilot could not be
assigned more than once every 18 bid periods).

My guess is that STV will go senior anyways. If they have it in the MD11 in the furture, my wife and I would gladly take it.

 

DLax,

Have you attended a hub turn meeting?

 

Haywood JB Remember DW is a used car salesman and has other motives not in your best interest (ALPA National=big paycheck). Is this the only MEC in the world that has gone against the majority expressed interest of it's members and still left the MEC intact? Just curious.

 

This is very interesting....I had a 727 Capt go out of his way to call me this morning and tell me about the hub mtg.

His take was DW was dancing all over the place.

He also said that DW made the comment above and then referenced a specific section of the CBA.

It's not a section in the "little CBA" we carry around, so it wasn't easily verifable while he was in the hub. He proceeded to go on-line at home and look it up.

He was absolutely shocked to find out just what FamilyATM has posted.

That the current temp vacancy bids in the CBA are only for non-FDA locations.

Why would DW represent the current CBA language re: STVs and the LOA language as the same, when it most definitely is not.

Gentleman, I go out of my way to teach my kids that integrity is paramount.

That once people lose credibility in what you say, it is extremely hard in getting their trust back.

This specific story of DW is very worrisome.

Why is there such a strong need to "sell" this LOA?

Why are things not being spoken clearly and definitively?

After hearing such stories told directly to me by a Capt I know personally and who has been a very strong union supporter in the past, I'm worried...very, very worried.

 

Lipout-

Personal attacks detract from your message.

 

It's not personal. It's business!

 

They have their agenda, and are willing to sell their souls, and I have my agenda. I will not sell my soul nor my profession, to advance myself at the expense of others.

 

Plan on work rules givebacks (Trip Rig vs PDO, 5 hr van rides, current move package deletions). Plan on financing the company's expansion with your dollars (no COLA, no means to adjust/review rental monies with the market). Why try for something reasonable when it's so easy to get guys to cave? It's always good to have a plan...