The company said you will bid the normal lines in the FDA according to your seniority.- they won't all have DH built in will they?

AS for the wording, there are numerous threads explaining the difference in wording vs DH. I'll leave that to those who have already done the leg work. If they are wrong, great!!

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How will it work if travel days overlap trip days on your line?

Bidding for STV is a personal choice -- invol STV isn't!!!!

 

That is why I asked the question. I cant attend any meetings.

 

so what about SIBA?..people get inversed all the time!...if it was for 3 months it would suck..but 1 month is not so bad in the grand scheme of things...this has become a very important topic for our future and i am evaluating my vote on other issues in the LOA not if a junior guy gets inversed for 1 month...seniority rules!..we have all been junior before...i don't want to lose sight of the long term...international flying will be the largest sector of out operation in the future..i know pilots can run this airline better then Fred..but he has done a pretty good job so far...but STV is not a player in my decision since the side letter...just good discussion!

 

Hiring from other carriers already living in domicile? Scare tactic anyone?

I keep hearing the alternative (no vote) is worse and we should vote yes. Well, did you ever stop to think of this: if this LOA does not pass, it's gotta be bad for the company! I mean, why would they offer an LOA if the alternative WASN'T worse? I'm sure all the beans were counted out, and this LOA was more economical for the company. Sure, it may throw the pilot group a bone but, it's gotta be more beneficial to the company. They wouldn't have offered us ANYTHING of it doesn't benefit them in some way, shape or form. Vote it down and I bet it hurts them more than it hurts us. Do the math, "If this doesn't pass, the pilot group is screwed...look at all these bad things that MAY happen." Well, the same has got to hold true for them...or they wouldn't have offered an LOA.

Amazing, billions of dollars waiting to be made in the overseas market...

 

how do you figure it is a scare tactic?....it's business!...i'm not scared..let them hire guys over there...that's fine..another number behind me..but the FOs won't be upgrading for a while...

 

"but the FOs won't be upgrading for a while..." = scare tactic.

 

Capt Mark-

This is a public forum. Excuse me for my depth of explanation of our leverage. You are a Capt (apparently by screen name) of a major airline. You know the duties and responsibilities you have. I believe we always have leverage, but grant you that sometimes we have more than others.

Consider the words of BC in the latest negotiation update with regard to pairing construction:

"Register your complaints with your Block reps and demand demonstrative action. If things don’t get better quickly we should reconsider our participation in the SIG and PSIT as well as other alternatives that might present themselves."

Well, which is it? Do we settle for what the company does or do we do as BC suggests? How can we have an effect on pairing construction but not on the living expenses of an FDA?

 

Mark, people get inversed to SIBA, but get paid for TAFB. STV does not pay TAFB. Am I correct. I respect your opinion. I ask again, what specifically is being heard in the meetings that would make a no voter consider yes?

It is still walking, quacking, and looking like something that stinks to me.

 

Exactly, we are giving up TAFB pay with the STV. I cant believe people are still comparing STV to SIBA. Air guard guys that get sent to Iraq for 6 months is different than Air guard guys that load up a C-5 from MEM and fly to Iraq, sit for a few days and fly back. When they get back they get to live their normal lives. Same with SIBA. SIBA sends you to europe for 14 to 15 days then you get back. You are not stuck there (like STV) for the whole month and only getting paid for 15 days.

SIBA=15days of pay and 15 days of work and 15 days from home
STV= 15 days of pay and 15 days of work and 28 days from home

Its that simple.

 

I started out this whole thing as a no vote. I've been to 3 hub turn meetings now and spent a great deal of time thinking / reading about this LOA. Like many other guys have said....go to the meetings. The MEC is making sense. DW make some great points last night. At the begining of this thing, there were a great deal of guys saying 90 days was too long. There were pilots on this board that said "If this STV is a 30 day thing, I'd vote for it and it would sail thru".... It is a 30 day (one bid month) thing now. It seems like there is a group on the board that want's to stick it to the company. How is that going to benefit us? From a personal standpoint the best thing for me is that the company grows...the seniority list grows...and I get to the left seat of the MD as soon as possible. If I were a management guy in charge of this and it fails...(I'm not by the way) I would either open them up without an LOA or contract out the flying. For those of you that are already in the left seat of a widebody....I'm sure it wouldn't change your life much. For those of us that aren't.....the lack of growth that could follow.....would suck for us. If the price to pay for a more rapid upgrade is a one bid month STV.....send me. It's not that big of a deal. The loss of flying is a huge deal. We have a better chance of making this thing better after we are doing the flying and the company can't afford an interruption of service.....
Take the time and go to a meeting. If you have to commute in just for it, do it. It's worth the time. Bottom line is vote. If the majority votes it down, I can live with that....if it fails with a 50% turnout, that would be a sad day for the crew force.
Flame away if you want, but from my point of view I'm not willing to vote against this thing based on a crap move package and not enough money. We can fix that later. The lost flying could be forever.