Purple -

You keep saying that all of this intl growth will get you to the left seat quicker. Better price that out as most people who will go overseas will be super junior. What you need to upgrade domestically is something that gets people senior to you to go overseas. Or am I missing something?

 

Still No!!

 

Voted NO!!!

 

[QUOTE=fdxmd11fo;207533]Purpledriver, If you use that logic then the company has already kicked you down.

I'm not going to get into a mine is bigger than yours, but I don't feel kicked down. I started out as a definite no when the STV was 3 months. Now that it has been changed to 1 bid month, I don't have a problem with it. If you do, or if you think the economic package sucks, vote no. I won't have a problem with a failed LOA if we have a good turn out on the vote. It that is the case, I hope I'm wrong and they come back to the table.....I'm not interested in either place, but I am interested in another 22 years at a company that is growing. It's a gamble....I like the MEC's slant on it.

 

I like a PLAN that will work !!!

 

My point is a growing senority list is a good thing. Loss of routes is a huge negative.(Granted, not a given) If a guy ahead of me jumps on this thing because he wants to go to the left seat over there....good for him. I still move up in MEM.

 

[quote=fdxflyer;207541]Purple -

You keep saying that all of this intl growth will get you to the left seat quicker. Better price that out as most people who will go overseas will be super junior.]

If the LOA passes, my crystal ball says CDG will go senior in both seats and HKG senior in the left seat and in the right seat, less so ( maybe much less so). If it fails, they may both go "super junior", depending on how you define that.
If the above is true (and I understand that my prediction is only as reliable as yours) then Purple is right, anything that flushes out folks ahead of you, quickens your ability to move up in your a/c.

 

And anything that brings the subic folks home moves you backwards.

 

Some of the yes voters are now talking like the flying is going to be outsourced if we vote this down. When did that become gospel? Pure speculation my friends and highly unlikely in my opinion. A logistical and personnel nightmare.

 

Mark,
Your comments are usually easy to understand and very logical, but I need you to clarify something about the companies option to "hires guys onto our seniority list". Did you mean outside our seniority list? Can't just hire anyone and put them on the seniority list and not have them adhere to the CBA.

If the flying is done from an FDA (with or without the LOA), contract rules still apply. You bid by seniority. "junior guys get screwed... nobody from our seniority list goes to the FDA's and we stagnate". Where did you get that notion.

As argued before by many people, both in favor and opposed to the LOA , there should be no problem getting Captain volunteers, with or without the LOA. As far as FO's, try hiring someone under contract salary guidlines to fill those positions with no LOA ($55-$60 per hour first year), not impossible, some people will take anything to get on our seniority list.

Or will the company just abrogate the contract for those it would like and apply it to others?

It's either going to be an FDA or it isn't. If it isn't, the company can do what they like and hire whomever and pay what ever they want, but they will not be on our seniority list. I'm sure the pilots willing to take these jobs and fly fedex freight will be looked upon highly by members of the seniority list and other in the professional aviation community. After all the only reason they would have their jobs is because Fedex stopped the opening of two highly publisized FDA's because they could not reach an agreement with their pilot group, and hired replacement workers. The word "scab" come to mind.

This LOA is not a good "starting point or stepping stone", it is a legally binding part of our contract, and if ratified it will not be changed for at least 5 years, if ever, based on the last contract negotiation (no change Chapter 6). How much "negotiating capital" will be expended on that small group of individuals who bid these FDA "voluntarily", and "knew" what they were getting into? How far will $2700 go then? Oh, I mean if you took that "enhanced" option. As far as our Union having a plan, I think that unless you were 53 at the signing of last contract, and healthcare in retirement was your main issue, it is plan B.