Who is going where?
08-13-2007 | 09:43 AM
#51
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$178*(60%)=$106.8
You're pay raise just became a pay CUT due to the weakness of the dollar. Of course this is only completely true if you spend all you make, but if you add in the fact that things are more expensive over there excluding the Euro factor, this is pretty reasonable. Family just got back from a month over there. It's friggin' EXPENSIVE! Good thing we didn't get a COLA... And thank the Union that you'll only be out of pocket a couple (or several) grand a month for housing!
A proud 32%'er.
08-13-2007 | 10:10 AM
#52
Bourgeoisie
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From: 787 SO
This LOA was voted on, there was a grass roots effort that worked fairly aggressively trying to send it back for additional work and $$$, an effort that failed.
The majority of FedEx pilots voted Yes (whatever their rational, they voted Yes.) And, a majority of the FedEx pilots actually voted.
I am not going to walk around with a sticker saying don't blame me, I voted No on the LOA. Nor am I going to walk around with a 32% sticker. I believe in Democracy, even when the vote doesn't go the way I want.
And sorry, can't agree that passing this LOA took $$$ out of my pocket. There were certainly potential $$$ out there. The company could have come back with a better offer if we had voted no. But, they might not have, potential $$$$ gone almost as quickly as they came.
So, we will never know what might have happened, we can fantasize all we want about where we could have been, but when we wake up.....the LOA is still going to be here.
Live in the now.
F.I.D.O.
Forget It Drive On
The majority of FedEx pilots voted Yes (whatever their rational, they voted Yes.) And, a majority of the FedEx pilots actually voted.
I am not going to walk around with a sticker saying don't blame me, I voted No on the LOA. Nor am I going to walk around with a 32% sticker. I believe in Democracy, even when the vote doesn't go the way I want.
And sorry, can't agree that passing this LOA took $$$ out of my pocket. There were certainly potential $$$ out there. The company could have come back with a better offer if we had voted no. But, they might not have, potential $$$$ gone almost as quickly as they came.
So, we will never know what might have happened, we can fantasize all we want about where we could have been, but when we wake up.....the LOA is still going to be here.
Live in the now.
F.I.D.O.
Forget It Drive On
08-13-2007 | 10:22 AM
#53
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Joined: Aug 2006
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From: Michael Vick's favorite animal
This LOA was voted on, there was a grass roots effort that worked fairly aggressively trying to send it back for additional work and $$$, an effort that failed.
The majority of FedEx pilots voted Yes (whatever their rational, they voted Yes.) And, a majority of the FedEx pilots actually voted.
I am not going to walk around with a sticker saying don't blame me, I voted No on the LOA. Nor am I going to walk around with a 32% sticker. I believe in Democracy, even when the vote doesn't go the way I want.
And sorry, can't agree that passing this LOA took $$$ out of my pocket. There were certainly potential $$$ out there. The company could have come back with a better offer if we had voted no. But, they might not have, potential $$$$ gone almost as quickly as they came.
So, we will never know what might have happened, we can fantasize all we want about where we could have been, but when we wake up.....the LOA is still going to be here.
Live in the now.
F.I.D.O.
Forget It Drive On
The majority of FedEx pilots voted Yes (whatever their rational, they voted Yes.) And, a majority of the FedEx pilots actually voted.
I am not going to walk around with a sticker saying don't blame me, I voted No on the LOA. Nor am I going to walk around with a 32% sticker. I believe in Democracy, even when the vote doesn't go the way I want.
And sorry, can't agree that passing this LOA took $$$ out of my pocket. There were certainly potential $$$ out there. The company could have come back with a better offer if we had voted no. But, they might not have, potential $$$$ gone almost as quickly as they came.
So, we will never know what might have happened, we can fantasize all we want about where we could have been, but when we wake up.....the LOA is still going to be here.
Live in the now.
F.I.D.O.
Forget It Drive On
08-13-2007 | 10:45 AM
#54
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Joined: Jul 2006
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From: 767 Cap
Well, actually, since we're paid in US dollars and will be buying brie in Euro AND it's currently $1.40US/1 Euro...
$178*(60%)=$106.8
You're pay raise just became a pay CUT due to the weakness of the dollar. Of course this is only completely true if you spend all you make, but if you add in the fact that things are more expensive over there excluding the Euro factor, this is pretty reasonable. Family just got back from a month over there. It's friggin' EXPENSIVE! Good thing we didn't get a COLA... And thank the Union that you'll only be out of pocket a couple (or several) grand a month for housing!
A proud 32%'er.
$178*(60%)=$106.8
You're pay raise just became a pay CUT due to the weakness of the dollar. Of course this is only completely true if you spend all you make, but if you add in the fact that things are more expensive over there excluding the Euro factor, this is pretty reasonable. Family just got back from a month over there. It's friggin' EXPENSIVE! Good thing we didn't get a COLA... And thank the Union that you'll only be out of pocket a couple (or several) grand a month for housing!
A proud 32%'er.
Well, since you want to keep picking at that scab, The pay rate is 179.86 (Nov07 2nd yr NB Capt) + $9 override. Divided by exchange rate (i.e. how many dollars to get 1 euro) $188.86/1.4= E 134.9. Still a pay raise.
And I am already several thousand out of pocket for housing, right now.
Get over it. The CBA + LOA is what it is. It's not changing for several years, at least. You can whine and moan about being a 32%er or move on.
And as a soon to be junior A300 guy, yes I will probably be in HKG on STV.
Last edited by fdx727pilot; 08-13-2007 at 10:58 AM. Reason: put a Euro symbol instead of dollar sign
08-13-2007 | 11:33 AM
#57
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I can almost guarantee you that the initial cadre will be almost exclusively 32%ers. Why? Because we wanted to go. Because we are in a socio-economic position to afford it. Because we read the ****ing LOA because we were genuinely interested and realized that it was a ****ty deal so we voted NO!
Somebody quoted Chimenti at some point saying "Don't take money out of those guy's pockets that want to go, vote yes." Well, you took a lot more away by voting this in.
I just want to make sure that all of you YES voters remember the basis for your decision when negotiations come around. "We have no leverage, we'll fix it when negotiations come around," you snivel. I'll remember that. Odds of these deals improving with so many other issues to tackle on the next CBA: 0
I know I don't have to bid it, but I am probably going to because I can make it work. Every bad deal that goes down will be reported, and I expect all you 'yes' men to be thumping your chests come contract time since you now have your precious 'leverage.'
Stored up LOA Result Anger Vent complete.
Somebody quoted Chimenti at some point saying "Don't take money out of those guy's pockets that want to go, vote yes." Well, you took a lot more away by voting this in.
I just want to make sure that all of you YES voters remember the basis for your decision when negotiations come around. "We have no leverage, we'll fix it when negotiations come around," you snivel. I'll remember that. Odds of these deals improving with so many other issues to tackle on the next CBA: 0
I know I don't have to bid it, but I am probably going to because I can make it work. Every bad deal that goes down will be reported, and I expect all you 'yes' men to be thumping your chests come contract time since you now have your precious 'leverage.'
Stored up LOA Result Anger Vent complete.
That is so true.
08-13-2007 | 01:04 PM
#60
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Well, actually, since we're paid in US dollars and will be buying brie in Euro AND it's currently $1.40US/1 Euro...
$178*(60%)=$106.8
$178*(60%)=$106.8
