It was a joke Clearleft. See the .

It doesn't matter to me how the DOH is determined, it doesn't affect me.

One does have to wonder how you at C360 would have wanted the seniority list concocted if SA crews had been moved over to your certificate.

 

We have to get over this and quickly. These two airlines do not belong to us! We are but a part of the deal. As a recent new-hire, I am affected by the seniority list issue. But, realize this, we work at the pleasure of the employer.

Oak Hill has bought two train sets and we are the kids playing with them. They have put the sets together to cover more surface and create better combinations. The SA guys were playing with the set that had the most pieces. The C360 guys with the smaller set. If we don't figure out how to play well together, our adopted "Daddy", may impose rules, we won't like.

Working together, (nobody gets everything) we can work as a force to make things better for all. No merger ever has been without pain for the people who do the work for the companies. Our industry has been littered with the remains of good careers, due to mergers, buyouts and bankruptcies. Most of us have ridden at least one of these horses into the ground.

At this point we all seem to have a job!

 

18Wheeler, I think your point is moot. SAI has always based their Seniority by class start date. C360 has always based its seniority on DOH. So if the roles were reversed, I don't think anyone would be in dispute over seniority. The fact that SAI wants to base seniority on C360 crews that have over 1 year with C360 one way (DOH) and then base seniority on C360 crews with less than 1 year another way (Date of Class Start) is to say the very least...ODD. Once more, it violates SACG Section 1B. Successorship.

This actually only hurts a handful of people at C360. But the point is to play fair.

 

C360 are getting doh or better, with doh being defined as when a pilot starts class. c360 pilots with less than a year are given doh based on class date.
c360 pilots with more than 1 year are getting a better deal; with doh being defined as when they accepted employement,( sometime a date months before class date) Making these pilots more senoir on the list than sa pilots using only class date. Seems like a good deal, Look at the deal Pan-am was given by Delta, aa vs twa...ect.

doh or better, I'd taken that in my last merger in a heart beat.
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A little back ground on this matter. The reason for this date of hire for C360 was to avoid any possible age discrimination issues in the seniority list.

 

What's the latest? Any C360 folks taking the SAH offer. I guess the side letter at SACG passed, so things are moving fwd. When do the C360 guys start SAH training if they take the offer. I heard that the first airplane was changing certificates on 1 Dec.

 

Yes, I hear that too. But then I get contradicted by someone else saying that everything is pushed back a month. I heard that the Feds approved C360's acft to be under SAI Ops Specs too. Currently I think management at C360 is working feverishly to come up with a schedule for transition. Did you hear about the SAI acft that had to return to ICN dumping fuel because of INS problems?

 

Wouldn't suprise me. Had one with Littons the other week that was terrible. Was able to get manual updates and limped into ANC. The plan was at one time that all the planes would get FMS/GPS, but that obviously has not happened yet.

Last I heard on transfering airplanes was the 1st one was suppose to come over on the 1st of Dec. But that was a month ago.

 

I heard from a Maintenance C360 dude that 26 December for the first one due to high ops tempo in Dec

 

That's funny. In the mettings Tom Gillies had with the C360 pilots. I asked him point blank about the outdated Carousel and Littons. He told me, in no uncertain terms that every plane in the SAI fleet had GPS navigation at this moment.

So, did he lie to me, or is he just that clueless that he dosn't know what his fleet has?