Accepted Fares
10-17-2007, 02:48 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by LEROY
How about this;
I recently had a trip which was revised to a doudle DH while I was on it. No accepted fares in the bidpack or on my pairing. Historical fares for this city run $300-$700. I printed out my Global Travel iteneraries for both. Am I entitled to that much in bank?
I recently had a trip which was revised to a doudle DH while I was on it. No accepted fares in the bidpack or on my pairing. Historical fares for this city run $300-$700. I printed out my Global Travel iteneraries for both. Am I entitled to that much in bank?
fbh
P.S. ALWAYS PRINT THE PAIRING! If it's revised AGAIN, and the DH's taken away, you'll still have proof of the bank monies and with that, you still have the bank.
10-17-2007, 05:54 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by pilot141
I never said that. He was the only guy in this thread who had an actual case of getting screwed, and I pointed that out.
If there are a bunch of guys getting screwed then they should be contacting CE and adding ammo to our salvos. I'm not saying that this isn't happening - I was just addressing the specifics of this thread. I've asked a lot of my buds about this and they've all had my experience - wait until the ticket is purchased and you get the higher bank.
I'll contact contract enforcement with my historical data of getting the higher fares tomorrow. I wasn't around for the "big audit" so I don't know if my data will be useful (that's sarcasm for those of you in Rio Linda) but I'll submit it.
My overall point was that maybe we should be addressing the overall degradation of DHs first. I see more and more guys jumpseating into MEM to catch the scheduled DH (especially to Europe) because there is no way they can deviate - the front-end DH is built with a tight connection and no backup flights.
If there are a bunch of guys getting screwed then they should be contacting CE and adding ammo to our salvos. I'm not saying that this isn't happening - I was just addressing the specifics of this thread. I've asked a lot of my buds about this and they've all had my experience - wait until the ticket is purchased and you get the higher bank.
I'll contact contract enforcement with my historical data of getting the higher fares tomorrow. I wasn't around for the "big audit" so I don't know if my data will be useful (that's sarcasm for those of you in Rio Linda) but I'll submit it.
My overall point was that maybe we should be addressing the overall degradation of DHs first. I see more and more guys jumpseating into MEM to catch the scheduled DH (especially to Europe) because there is no way they can deviate - the front-end DH is built with a tight connection and no backup flights.
"So far only one guy, kronan, has said this didn't work for him, and that was one time. One case of the company denying the higher fare does not make it a concerted effort by the company - more like a new or especially aggressive auditor."
It is a concerted effort by the company. They attempted to change the accepted practice last December in an FCIF. The fact that they are not enforcing it if you "game" the system is BS. Besides the fact you shouldn't have to game the system; everything published now indicates they plan to start enforcing in the future.
I have noticed they don't buy my tickets right away if they can't get a ticket less than or equal to the accpeted fare. This results in my playing chicken with corporate travel. I don't mind because it is usually only a 6 or 7 hour trip I will drop in a heart beat. If it was a 40 hour trip I would be furious.
Thanks for helping with this issue.
Last edited by FDXLAG; 10-17-2007 at 06:12 AM.
10-17-2007, 07:47 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by pilot141
...we should be fighting the fact that many Sunday afternoon DHs have now turned into Monday morning DHs. I see more and more scheduled DHs with no possible backups, making deviating almost impossible.
10-17-2007, 09:59 AM
#54
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"Originally Posted by pilot141
...we should be fighting the fact that many Sunday afternoon DHs have now turned into Monday morning DHs. I see more and more scheduled DHs with no possible backups, making deviating almost impossible."
Talked to a member of the SIG the other day. he said the best thing we can do is to fly everything as scheduled. No speeding up to get a sleep room or get to the hotel 10 minutes earlier, no racing through the crew security line at the airport when we are flying a scheduled D/H, (especially when that D/H is same duty period) and the hardest one for us to do, no deviating. That way the Monday morning D/H's that have no backup will start costing the company when you can't get to the MEM terminal, through security, and on to the plane in the min time they allot in the pairing or when a mechanical delays the flight to the point where you can't make the trip with legal rest. The same goes for same duty period D/H's. Bottom line is the best thing we can do to stop the degredation of our schedules is to fly them JUST as they are scheduled. Even if we only did it for a month or two. Do I think we will do it? I know FedEx sure doesn't..
...we should be fighting the fact that many Sunday afternoon DHs have now turned into Monday morning DHs. I see more and more scheduled DHs with no possible backups, making deviating almost impossible."
Talked to a member of the SIG the other day. he said the best thing we can do is to fly everything as scheduled. No speeding up to get a sleep room or get to the hotel 10 minutes earlier, no racing through the crew security line at the airport when we are flying a scheduled D/H, (especially when that D/H is same duty period) and the hardest one for us to do, no deviating. That way the Monday morning D/H's that have no backup will start costing the company when you can't get to the MEM terminal, through security, and on to the plane in the min time they allot in the pairing or when a mechanical delays the flight to the point where you can't make the trip with legal rest. The same goes for same duty period D/H's. Bottom line is the best thing we can do to stop the degredation of our schedules is to fly them JUST as they are scheduled. Even if we only did it for a month or two. Do I think we will do it? I know FedEx sure doesn't..
10-17-2007, 07:17 PM
#55
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 57
Originally Posted by hyperone
machz990 and fub141, please call David T. with Fedex ALPA Contract Enforcement at (901) 842-2211 and talk to him about your experiences with being able to adjust your accepted fares higher. This is exactly what he is looking for to advance the accepted fares grievance that he is pursuing. Don't wait for the company to deny your next adjustment, or possibly come after you for all the previous money that you were allowed to add to your deviation bank, before you "get on board with the yelling and screaming."
10-17-2007, 08:28 PM
#58
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Originally Posted by fub141
Whatever tough guy
Seriously dude, relax. Thank you for contacting CE. You're getting all riled up over nothing.
Re-read your posts...First you said "no problem", period. Then, in your very next post you said, "When it happens to me I'll be on the phone with CE." So no. To answer your question, that isn't very clear to me. Didn't sound like you were planning on doing anything until you got hosed.
I applaud your taking the time to get the evidence into DT.
Now, go put your feet up and pop a cold one!
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