Accepted Fares
10-29-2007, 12:32 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
Another thing is: What good does it do for your deviation bank if you have to take the scheduled DH to get the higher fare ? If you take the scheduled, you SPEND all that money anyway...
Like I said before, check your expense reports, they are adding the updated fares under "approved fare" next to the Accepted fare in the bank calculation.
Like I said before, check your expense reports, they are adding the updated fares under "approved fare" next to the Accepted fare in the bank calculation.
The may be adding the updated fares but they are also taking them away. Here is my story:
Traded into DH to GFK accepted fare $360. Could only find ticket for $680. Waited a long tme for corporate travel to buy me a ticket. They ended up finding a $630 fare Mem to GFK on the scheduled DH.
My Oct travel report reflected the total bank of $630. I deviated and bought my $680 ticket.
Two weeks later my Oct travel report reflects a refunded scheduled ticket and the total travel bank has been reduced to the accpted fare.
I will file a discrepancy and I will file a grievance as I took a screen shot of the total bank before they adjusted it.
Just because your total travel bank is adjusted dosen't mean it will stay that way.
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10-29-2007, 12:34 PM
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I wrote to Crew Travel Audit within the last year about this very issue, so that I could nail down what their actual deviation bank policy now is. I wrote to Melanie in Crew Travel Audit, "I have pairing xxx starting on xx June with a scheduled deadhead on xxxxx flt xx with a published accepted fare of $1150. I just recieved a corporate travel e-mail saying the actual scheduled ticket cost $4082.60. Could you confirm that my deviation bank is now worth the $4082.60 scheduled ticket, instead of the original $1150 accepted fare? Thanks for the help, xxxxxx" I wanted to make sure that the nearly $3000 difference in fare's would be available to me before I actually spent the money.
Melanie's response was, "The fare is only listed at $1150.00. The actual cost of the ticket may be $4082.60, but you are only entitled to it if you flew exactly as scheduled. If you deviate against the LAX-ICN route then you will only receive $1150.00 for LAX-ICN."
So, machz990, if you still have copies of your expense reports and deadheads in which Crew Travel Audit did not follow the above stated policy, then please send them to David T. in contract enforcement.
RedeyeAV8r, as I have posted previously, David is pursuing a grievance about this very issue right now.
Melanie's response was, "The fare is only listed at $1150.00. The actual cost of the ticket may be $4082.60, but you are only entitled to it if you flew exactly as scheduled. If you deviate against the LAX-ICN route then you will only receive $1150.00 for LAX-ICN."
So, machz990, if you still have copies of your expense reports and deadheads in which Crew Travel Audit did not follow the above stated policy, then please send them to David T. in contract enforcement.
RedeyeAV8r, as I have posted previously, David is pursuing a grievance about this very issue right now.
10-29-2007, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by machz990
I have been deviating for almost 12 years here. I have never been denied the higher fare if the scheduled ticket was issued and I attached the Corp. Travel email to the paper expense report or the automated web based expense reporting system (previous version and current FOCUS version). I would guess I did it about 50-60 times.
That being said someone at the companay appears to have woken up one morning and decided to change that. The CBA language in the previous contract and the current contract regarding this issue is the same. However someone has decided to interpret it differently in favor of the company and against the deviating pilot.
The deviating pilot, believe it or not, usually saved the company money by trying to budget his monthly bank. If the deviating pilot now is forced to use the lower unrealistic published accepted fares there will be more trip failures as the pilot has to get more creative to get to work or he will be forced to go to domicile and fly the scheduled DH which was ticketed at a higher fare. Either way it will cost the company more. It will also add stress and more time away from home to the commuting pilot. When a bean counter starts making decisions that affect operations the end result will be anything BUT profitable. Hopefully we have someone high enough in Operations, with a sack, that will step up to the plate and fix this.
That being said someone at the companay appears to have woken up one morning and decided to change that. The CBA language in the previous contract and the current contract regarding this issue is the same. However someone has decided to interpret it differently in favor of the company and against the deviating pilot.
The deviating pilot, believe it or not, usually saved the company money by trying to budget his monthly bank. If the deviating pilot now is forced to use the lower unrealistic published accepted fares there will be more trip failures as the pilot has to get more creative to get to work or he will be forced to go to domicile and fly the scheduled DH which was ticketed at a higher fare. Either way it will cost the company more. It will also add stress and more time away from home to the commuting pilot. When a bean counter starts making decisions that affect operations the end result will be anything BUT profitable. Hopefully we have someone high enough in Operations, with a sack, that will step up to the plate and fix this.
10-29-2007, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by machz990
1) The deviating pilot, believe it or not, usually saved the company money by trying to budget his monthly bank...
2) ...he will be forced to go to domicile and fly the scheduled DH which was ticketed at a higher fare. Either way it will cost the company more.
3) It will also add stress and more time away from home to the commuting pilot.
4) When a bean counter starts making decisions that affect operations the end result will be anything BUT profitable.
5) Hopefully we have someone high enough in Operations, with a sack, that will step up to the plate and fix this.
2) It might be an experiment to see if this new policy saves money. Maybe it will, by their metrics, or maybe it won't. We'll see. It may be transparent to the company or us, but many commuters now trade out of trips with ridiculously low acceptable fares. As this problem gets bigger it will stink for more commuters. Soon it may be impossible to avoid its affects.
3) They don't care if it "stresses" the commuting pilot or costs more time from home.
4) If the bean counters read this I recommend they look at APU usage and fuel burns (like getting to a low altitude early, lowering the gear and pushing the power up) They may see their money saved evaporate into thin air.
5) You have got to be kidding. They didn't go into management to fall on their sword for you. They are there to "explain" why things are the way they are. Then they tell you to deal with it.
10-29-2007, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
BTW,
If we take the company jumpseat and "forget" to cancel our scheduled ticket, does the company still have to pay for that ticket?
If we take the company jumpseat and "forget" to cancel our scheduled ticket, does the company still have to pay for that ticket?
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