Accepted Fares
10-29-2007, 06:53 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
Sorry ... just the $310 UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY TAKE THE SCHEDULED FLIGHT
This is ridiculous logic. I don't care what the accepted fare is if the company is furnishing a ticket for scheduled deadhead. The compare will pay regardless. The only time I care is when I deviate and need to use the funds for another ticket.
For them not to raise it to the ACTUAL TICKETED fare when you deviate and do not take the scheduled flight makes no sense at all.
10-29-2007, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
This is ridiculous logic. I don't care what the accepted fare is if the company is furnishing a ticket for scheduled deadhead. The compare will pay regardless. The only time I care is when I deviate and need to use the funds for another ticket.
For them not to raise it to the ACTUAL TICKETED fare when you deviate and do not take the scheduled flight makes no sense at all.
For them not to raise it to the ACTUAL TICKETED fare when you deviate and do not take the scheduled flight makes no sense at all.
Like I said before, check your expense reports, they are adding the updated fares under "approved fare" next to the Accepted fare in the bank calculation.
10-29-2007, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
Like I said before, check your expense reports, they are adding the updated fares under "approved fare" next to the Accepted fare in the bank calculation.
I looked at the expense report. No change to the approved fare.
Comments on expense report following my request to raise the fare because the accepted fare in VIPS is too low.
Comments: "Deviation. VIPS accepted fare applies."
We need to file grievances. I'm working on mine.
Last edited by Gunter; 10-29-2007 at 07:28 AM.
10-29-2007, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Like I said a couple of posts ago, I was denied a change to my fare by crew audit.
I looked at the expense report. No change to the approved fare.
Comments on expense report following my request to raise the fare because the accepted fare in VIPS is too low.
We need to file grievances. I'm working on mine.
I looked at the expense report. No change to the approved fare.
Comments on expense report following my request to raise the fare because the accepted fare in VIPS is too low.
We need to file grievances. I'm working on mine.
In my case, I recently had a ticket from Europe to MEM with a accepted fare of $2800, they issued the ticket and it was $4500, on my expense report, without filing a discrepancy, the "approved fare" was automatically adjusted to the $4500 figure and my bank total was updated.
I agree we need some concrete rules on this, I offered my info to David T. and have not heard back.
Good luck and let us know if we can do anything to help.
2cyl
10-29-2007, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
You filled a discrepancy, is that correct ?
In my case, I recently had a ticket from Europe to MEM with a accepted fare of $2800, they issued the ticket and it was $4500, on my expense report, without filing a discrepancy, the "approved fare" was automatically adjusted to the $4500 figure and my bank total was updated.
I agree we need some concrete rules on this, I offered my info to David T. and have not heard back.
Good luck and let us know if we can do anything to help.
2cyl
In my case, I recently had a ticket from Europe to MEM with a accepted fare of $2800, they issued the ticket and it was $4500, on my expense report, without filing a discrepancy, the "approved fare" was automatically adjusted to the $4500 figure and my bank total was updated.
I agree we need some concrete rules on this, I offered my info to David T. and have not heard back.
Good luck and let us know if we can do anything to help.
2cyl
Comments: "Deviation. VIPS accepted fare applies."
I'll keep you all posted and the only help I can think to ask for is for everyone to e-mail David T. if they have similar experiences. We all need to file the discrepancy on the expense report with a note from us that notes the cost of the actual fare the company was schedule to pay vs. low ball acceptable fare. If that doesn't produce anything, we need to file grievances.
If the company is going to be gracious enough to approve a fare they can't avoid paying for, they ought to offer approval of the same amount for deviation purposes. It's just that simple. Why the company is dragging their feet, I don't know. Why ALPA is dragging their feet, I don't know.
BTW, there are lots of ways to negate their "savings" from giving us the bone on this one. I hope it doesn't come to that. We're all on the same team right?
Last edited by Gunter; 10-29-2007 at 08:36 AM.
10-29-2007, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
In my case, I recently had a ticket from Europe to MEM with a accepted fare of $2800, they issued the ticket and it was $4500, on my expense report, without filing a discrepancy, the "approved fare" was automatically adjusted to the $4500 figure and my bank total was updated.
Good luck and let us know if we can do anything to help.
2cyl
Good luck and let us know if we can do anything to help.
2cyl
That is the Big Problem. If you don't deviate, of course $4500 is the new accepted fare.
The problem always seems to be if/ when a pilot deviates. Does the accepted fare adjust? I agree that if the Scheduled Ticket is issued with a higher fare, then thatshould become your new accepted fare, but there seems to be some issues with this. Everyone needs to keep good records and innundate union contract admin with evidence. If it is truly a problem someone needs to take the bull by the horns and File a grievance, because if nobody "officially" files one it will never get fixed. Grievances create more work for certain folks, human nature being what it is, some folks might not want to create more work for themselves....
10-29-2007, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunter
This is ridiculous logic....
For them not to raise it to the ACTUAL TICKETED fare when you deviate and do not take the scheduled flight makes no sense at all.
For them not to raise it to the ACTUAL TICKETED fare when you deviate and do not take the scheduled flight makes no sense at all.
Sure it does. They just payroll deduct the difference from your check.
It doesn't happen often, but times it by 4700+ of us and it becomes what is commonly referred to as a "profit center".
10-29-2007, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
2Cyl......In your case did you Deviate on that EUR-MEM LEG?
That is the Big Problem. If you don't deviate, of course $4500 is the new accepted fare.
The problem always seems to be if/ when a pilot deviates. Does the accepted fare adjust? I agree that if the Scheduled Ticket is issued with a higher fare, then thatshould become your new accepted fare, but there seems to be some issues with this. Everyone needs to keep good records and innundate union contract admin with evidence. If it is truly a problem someone needs to take the bull by the horns and File a grievance, because if nobody "officially" files one it will never get fixed. Grievances create more work for certain folks, human nature being what it is, some folks might not want to create more work for themselves....
That is the Big Problem. If you don't deviate, of course $4500 is the new accepted fare.
The problem always seems to be if/ when a pilot deviates. Does the accepted fare adjust? I agree that if the Scheduled Ticket is issued with a higher fare, then thatshould become your new accepted fare, but there seems to be some issues with this. Everyone needs to keep good records and innundate union contract admin with evidence. If it is truly a problem someone needs to take the bull by the horns and File a grievance, because if nobody "officially" files one it will never get fixed. Grievances create more work for certain folks, human nature being what it is, some folks might not want to create more work for themselves....
I just went into my report to try and cut and paste my example for you guys to see and LOW and BEHOLD it has changed back the original accepted fare ! I have a hard copy though ! I will try and scan it and post it.
The saga continues...
10-29-2007, 11:01 AM
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In response to my inquiry to ALPA
XXXX -
The provisions of the CBA doesn't specify how accepted fares are
arrived at....additionally, and sadly, the actual fare that a
non-deviating pilot gets, or the actual fare ticketed before you deviate
is not what a deviating pilots receives in their bank is allowed to use
to deviate. We have attempted to modify this with the Company from as
way back as 1999, but without success.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXX
FedEx MEC - Contract Enforcement
Representation Department
901-842-2211
901-202-3939 (fax)
XXXX -
The provisions of the CBA doesn't specify how accepted fares are
arrived at....additionally, and sadly, the actual fare that a
non-deviating pilot gets, or the actual fare ticketed before you deviate
is not what a deviating pilots receives in their bank is allowed to use
to deviate. We have attempted to modify this with the Company from as
way back as 1999, but without success.
Regards,
XXXXXXXXX
FedEx MEC - Contract Enforcement
Representation Department
901-842-2211
901-202-3939 (fax)
Last edited by Gunter; 10-29-2007 at 11:31 AM.
10-29-2007, 11:42 AM
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I have been deviating for almost 12 years here. I have never been denied the higher fare if the scheduled ticket was issued and I attached the Corp. Travel email to the paper expense report or the automated web based expense reporting system (previous version and current FOCUS version). I would guess I did it about 50-60 times.
That being said someone at the companay appears to have woken up one morning and decided to change that. The CBA language in the previous contract and the current contract regarding this issue is the same. However someone has decided to interpret it differently in favor of the company and against the deviating pilot.
The deviating pilot, believe it or not, usually saved the company money by trying to budget his monthly bank. If the deviating pilot now is forced to use the lower unrealistic published accepted fares there will be more trip failures as the pilot has to get more creative to get to work or he will be forced to go to domicile and fly the scheduled DH which was ticketed at a higher fare. Either way it will cost the company more. It will also add stress and more time away from home to the commuting pilot. When a bean counter starts making decisions that affect operations the end result will be anything BUT profitable. Hopefully we have someone high enough in Operations, with a sack, that will step up to the plate and fix this.
That being said someone at the companay appears to have woken up one morning and decided to change that. The CBA language in the previous contract and the current contract regarding this issue is the same. However someone has decided to interpret it differently in favor of the company and against the deviating pilot.
The deviating pilot, believe it or not, usually saved the company money by trying to budget his monthly bank. If the deviating pilot now is forced to use the lower unrealistic published accepted fares there will be more trip failures as the pilot has to get more creative to get to work or he will be forced to go to domicile and fly the scheduled DH which was ticketed at a higher fare. Either way it will cost the company more. It will also add stress and more time away from home to the commuting pilot. When a bean counter starts making decisions that affect operations the end result will be anything BUT profitable. Hopefully we have someone high enough in Operations, with a sack, that will step up to the plate and fix this.
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