UPS-IPA talks fail
12-23-2005, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Fred Smith was asked years ago if he worried about competitor UPS. He responded that he'll start worrying about UPS when they start treating their employees better. Guess things aren't about to change anytime too soon.
I wouldn't throw stones at glass houses if I were you. I don't recall UPS ground drivers filing class action lawsuits against them. I seem to see posted on this board as well about Fed Ex negotiations not going so well either. When Fred can make as much profit and deliver as much as UPS then he could make comments like this. Until then maybe he should treat his employees a lil better!
12-23-2005, 09:05 AM
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Eightmenout1,
Just reading your post tells me either you are just stupid or you are not a manglement pilot.
Why??
Because every manglement pilot at UPS knows that whatever we get you guys will get the same or better.
That is the reason you don't see them over here bad mouthing the IPA and what we are asking for in our contract.
Like others have said, "Pilot Envy".
Hurts doesn't it!!!!!
Just reading your post tells me either you are just stupid or you are not a manglement pilot.
Why??
Because every manglement pilot at UPS knows that whatever we get you guys will get the same or better.
That is the reason you don't see them over here bad mouthing the IPA and what we are asking for in our contract.
Like others have said, "Pilot Envy".
Hurts doesn't it!!!!!
12-23-2005, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by EIGHTMENOUT1
I don't have pilot envy because I am one. I have the best job in the world: I can fly, make more money than you do, and I can give you guys check rides!
Sure sounds like a SCAB . . .prattling on selfishly . . to me!! A despicable PUKE, to be shunned!! Not someone worthy to share the sky with!
12-23-2005, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by UPSDISPATCHER
ATEMENOUT1: I really don't think you're a management pilot, or a pilot at all for that matter. Most likely UPS management, perhaps even labor, but you couldn't possibly be that naive and still hold an ATP.
Personally, I've never met a line or mgmt pilot who speaks or writes like this turd.
12-23-2005, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
Sasquatch,
I wouldn't throw stones at glass houses if I were you. I don't recall UPS ground drivers filing class action lawsuits against them. I seem to see posted on this board as well about Fed Ex negotiations not going so well either. When Fred can make as much profit and deliver as much as UPS then he could make comments like this. Until then maybe he should treat his employees a lil better!
I wouldn't throw stones at glass houses if I were you. I don't recall UPS ground drivers filing class action lawsuits against them. I seem to see posted on this board as well about Fed Ex negotiations not going so well either. When Fred can make as much profit and deliver as much as UPS then he could make comments like this. Until then maybe he should treat his employees a lil better!
You are OBVIOUSLY not aware that the drivers in question ARE/WERE not “employees” . .BUT “independent contractors” who own their own rigs and work on 'contract’.
But, you apparently are so dumb that you wouldn’t know the difference, eh?
12-23-2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
Sasquatch,
I wouldn't throw stones at glass houses if I were you. I don't recall UPS ground drivers filing class action lawsuits against them. I seem to see posted on this board as well about Fed Ex negotiations not going so well either. When Fred can make as much profit and deliver as much as UPS then he could make comments like this. Until then maybe he should treat his employees a lil better!
I wouldn't throw stones at glass houses if I were you. I don't recall UPS ground drivers filing class action lawsuits against them. I seem to see posted on this board as well about Fed Ex negotiations not going so well either. When Fred can make as much profit and deliver as much as UPS then he could make comments like this. Until then maybe he should treat his employees a lil better!
I have never met a UPS driver who spoke well of his superiors. In fact, I have never met a pilot who spoke well of his managers, either. There are some good individuals, but I am told they're stopped from making a difference by the large cogs that exist in your corporate culture.
UPS has a reputation as being militant, stubborn, and inflexible when dealing with its employees. Where did this come from? It wasn't pulled out of thin air.
Furthermore, is it a coincidence that UPS is heavily unionized and we are not?
You, soyathink, are the perfect embodiment of what a UPS manager is about. Look at your tone in your posts.
Thanks for the clear example for others to see, too.
Last edited by Sasquatch; 12-23-2005 at 12:20 PM.
12-23-2005, 05:27 PM
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Aviation Questions
Bring on the aviation questions. I will answer them with "flying colors".
12-23-2005, 05:33 PM
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Aviation Questions
As I said, bring on the aviation questions. I will answer them with flying colors.
12-23-2005, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by captain_drew
Before you come out in public to display your utter ignorance in front of God everyone, you OUGHT to brush up on your facts and have some command of them, dickweed!
You are OBVIOUSLY not aware that the drivers in question ARE/WERE not “employees” . .BUT “independent contractors” who own their own rigs and work on 'contract’.
But, you apparently are so dumb that you wouldn’t know the difference, eh?
You are OBVIOUSLY not aware that the drivers in question ARE/WERE not “employees” . .BUT “independent contractors” who own their own rigs and work on 'contract’.
But, you apparently are so dumb that you wouldn’t know the difference, eh?
Drew, Do you stay awake in your 208 Caravan thinking of these great quotes of yours? "dickweed" thats good, I bet that took you all night to think of that one. Your right they are contractors for Fed Ex whom Fed Ex has been treating or shall I say managing like employees. That is why they are suing but " you apparently are so dumb that you wouldn't know the difference eh?" Wasn't it you that said management at Fed Ex wasn't negotiating in good faith?
12-23-2005, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch
This riff between a large portion of the former RPS drivers and FedEx is prominent, you're right. But it's an issue of classification- employee or contractor?- and not of decent human treatment.
I have never met a UPS driver who spoke well of his superiors. In fact, I have never met a pilot who spoke well of his managers, either. There are some good individuals, but I am told they're stopped from making a difference by the large cogs that exist in your corporate culture.
UPS has a reputation as being militant, stubborn, and inflexible when dealing with its employees. Where did this come from? It wasn't pulled out of thin air.
Furthermore, is it a coincidence that UPS is heavily unionized and we are not?
You, soyathink, are the perfect embodiment of what a UPS manager is about. Look at your tone in your posts.
Thanks for the clear example for others to see, too.
I have never met a UPS driver who spoke well of his superiors. In fact, I have never met a pilot who spoke well of his managers, either. There are some good individuals, but I am told they're stopped from making a difference by the large cogs that exist in your corporate culture.
UPS has a reputation as being militant, stubborn, and inflexible when dealing with its employees. Where did this come from? It wasn't pulled out of thin air.
Furthermore, is it a coincidence that UPS is heavily unionized and we are not?
You, soyathink, are the perfect embodiment of what a UPS manager is about. Look at your tone in your posts.
Thanks for the clear example for others to see, too.
If Fed Ex is so great then why do you have a pilots union? Please elaborate on the last negotiations you had. Didn't Fred threaten to replace the pilots if they walked? Didn't he have Atlas lined up to fly if you walked? Now tell me why would the "contractors" sue if things were so good? I know if I had a good thing going I don't think I would have a class action suit going on. I also know a number of Ex UPS managers now at Fed Ex. That wasn't pulled out of thin air. I really love how it takes 3 Fed Ex drivers to deliver to one location 4 if you count Fed Ex @ home. It takes 1 UPS driver. I love how much UPS drivers make compared to Fed Ex drivers and look at profit margin taken in by UPS compared to Fed Ex. But you know so much more don't you? I love how some come here and know everything thats why they are posting to message boards and not running the company.
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