MacMan

Let's just keep the discussion simple. Say that our vacation bank is 100 hours at $200/hr. The dollar value of our vacation bank is $20,000. Now we get a raise to $210/hr. The value of that bank is now $21,000. It seems to me that would be the most accurate way of determining whether we gave anything up or not.

Busboy

Lets try this.
In January, you say you are working the same number of days, for an additional 6.4 hrs of pay, right?

Now, if you just drop a 1 day, 6.4 hr trip...You are still benefitting from the new trip rig, right? Because you are now working 1 day less, for the same pay,than you did in OCT.

Now use your 7 days(really 42hrs) of vacation, and tell me you don't get the same number of days off as you would have, with the old trip rig.

The key here is that you can either take the extra money, or get the same number of days off with your vacation.

MaxKts

If that $21,000 buys you less days off per year, you have given something up!

Busboy

But, those days are worth more!!! That's what a better trip rig does, it makes each day of a TAFB trip, worth more. That way, you're scheduled to work less days per year.

When you get a minute...Look at the MEM JAN A300 bidpack. Lines 191 and 192.

Imagine that line 191 is old trip rig and line 192 is new trip rig. You'll see that you do not get less days off with your vacation, under the new trip rig.

Assume you have a 7 day(42hr) vacation.

The trips on line 191 pay 6:00/day. It works 15 days for a BLG of 90:00.

The trips on line 192 pay 7:28/day. It works 12 days for a BLG of 89:36.

Using all of your 42 hours on line 191, knocks off 7 days. You'll now work 8.

Using just 37:20 hours on line 192, knocks off only 5 days. But now, you'll only work 7.

I'm done.

P.S. I know that the new trip rig only brings it up to 6:24/ day. But, the principle is the same. Now, I'm done.

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What was that you were saying?

TheBaron

There's an 8-ounce glass filled with 4 ounces of water.

Busboy...the glass is half full

BrownGirls Yum...the glass is half empty


Under the old contract we worked we worked 132 days 8 hours (with 90 hours of vacation off) to earn the guaranteed 884 credit hours.
Under the new contract we work 124 days 1.5 hours (with 90 hours of vacation off) to earn the same guaranteed 884 credit hours.
Ever think that was the entire intent when they cost modeled the contract...that we would work 8 days 6 1/2 hours less for the same credit hours. Your arguments are purely semantic to the nth degree

BrownGirls YUM

First off my glass has beer in it. It's full. I'm happy.

The problem with Barons' point is that it's an oversimplification that doesn't apply universally to all seats.

Again, not complaining...I'm just sayin'...

Gunter

This thought process works great if you assume everyone flies the MD11.

Otherwise the assumptions in this post and others fall short.

RedeyeAV8r

This assumption doesn't even hold true on the MD-11 either, just some of the lines.

The company controls BLG. So you might make a little more TAFB but if the AVG BLG is 2 hours less than say it was 2 years ago, where is the gain.

Also when things swing and we are short staffed again, expect the BLG to go up, but also expect the lnes to be optimized so more of us have to work more days per month.

MaxKts

Have you noticed how average BLG has been decreasing in the last few months? Just another example of how a pay raise tied to a scheduling parameter is not a raise unless the company wants to make it one!


This is my whole point. When the lines get completely optimized we will be working up to the max allowed days per month on most of the lines. When you bid vacation it will cost you more hours most of the time. That is a giveback.